Some electron users seem to think liking anyone else’s products is some kind of heracy. 
Get out your flame throwers, I actually still use my Korg Volcas even though I have an A4.
Funny enough a lot of very well respected producers use such gear too, for example Octave One use a Monotribe, Carl Craig and A Guy Called Gerald are using Aira’s.
Toys can be tools, and tools can be toys 
I guess my point is that everyone has their own taste in gear, no such thing as right or wrong.
Play, have fun!
Perc talks about using the Volca’s and Monotron’s.
As Blawan says
…ironically he does own a stack of gear tho.
Blawan actually took that sample from Moodyman’s RBMA lecture. Great track.
On the subject, I just bought the Microbrute and I’m blown away by it, sounds better than some synths that cost triple the price.
Blawan is playing at Freerotation twice this year, as Trade with surgeon and Karenn with pariah. Could you get much bigger on the underground? I’m not sure. Anyway yeah between them boys they shit gear so I guess I’m saying “its what you do with what you have” is easy for him to say.
Anyone here going Freerotation? (Sorry to derail) 
I’ll make a thread.
There - Freerotation 14
‘Dancing around with glow sticks’? I thought it was a good machine then and I still think so now. It’s less than 1/3 the cost of the AR, sounds great, has a nice interface and excellent USB connectivity, and is an ideal starter drum machine for anyone who wants those ‘classic’ sounds, though it’s now also facing competition from the Akai Rhythm Wolf at the ultra-budget end (and I think that machine is pretty cool too). Owning a TR-8 isn’t my top priority, but I’ll probably pick one up at some stage.
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No point, just getting on my nerves (and I’m sure there are other who feel the same way) when there are people like you who always talk shit about new products. “It’s 3 times as much blah blah blah”. I mean, seriously-do you think it would make sense to sell the Analog RYTM for 499-when it probably has 20 more useful functions and high level electronic components than a consumer-level product like the TR8? You’ll never make a good businessman with that mentality-and this is a business for Elektron. They’re not trying to please you or anyone in particular. They have their vision and I for one have been able to completely elevate my work with their technology. Bottom line, if you wanna play you gotta pay.
Both the TR8 and the Rythm Wolf (laughable) combined can’t do half of what the RYTM will be able to accomplish. I am very grateful for companies like Elektron who make it easier to create world class music. I can’t for the life of me understand how Elektron users even think about using low-quality shit like Roland’s latest offering. You’re right when you say it’s great entry level stuff, but one would assume when you step in the the Elektron world, you’re ready to move forward-not backward.
^ AGCG to name but 1 not making world class music? He uses tr8 and before it was using REASON to make both Berlin sessions albums. I also have a certain pretty high profile producer mate who’s using it too (John heckle) if your not familiar with them put your computer to good use and search there music out.
That said it is what it is and that’s a genuine alternative to an 808 and 909 in one unit. Completely idiotic of you to call it low quality because its 400 quid. (Laughable as you say) and even iF it is lower quality than something triple the price it does not mean you can’t make WORLD CLASS MUSIC With it.
Edit - Are 808s and 909s that hi quality these days given the age of the components?! I bet most sound reasonably rough, tho no worse for it overall… Just over priced.
I don’t think any meaningful comparison between the Rytm and TR8 can be made aside from they are both drum machines, that is where the similarities end, the Rytm is of course a much deeper machine, the TR8 a simple emulation of arguably the most significant drum sounds in the history of electronic music.
I see value in both, but would not reasonably expect either to perform the job of the other exactly.
The TR8 does seem like a bargain, but that is not to say the Rytm is over priced, apples and pineapples…
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indeed. I’ll also just add that this ‘gotta have loads of expensive gear to make serious, ‘world class’ music’ schtick is utter baloney.
Ironically (given the TR-8 flame war going on ) if the history of house,acid,techno & hip-hop tells you anything it’s that some of the greatest,innovative music has been made on the cheapest ass equipment ever. 808s & 303s in the mid - late 80s ?!! - hell, you couldn’t give them away.
The gear is totally irrelevant. seriously. If we’re talking about ‘quality of end product’ it’s irrelevant. the artist’s imagination, skills & vision are all that matter.
Ha, yea here’s a pic of the Karenn live setup. I’d like to see how they implement all that…
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Bobby Hood was/is using a a cheap ass akai romple player aimed at hip hop to supplement his DJ sets and I believe used it on the omega album too. Too me that’s similar innovation to using a guitar bass accompaniment for dance music. Its the same thinking at least and is more in line with the mentioned earlier “its not what you use” moodyman quote… He could easily use an xox or an elektron but hey that’s what everyone does.
EDIT - I think also using “the wrong” (not that there’s such a thing) gear for your style is more a confidence thing than about quality. Nobody’s gonna tell hood he’s wack for using a 200 quid sample player that probably had poor reviews, as it sounds mega when he uses it and proves it doesn’t matter.
Indeed the 303,808, 909, 606, 106, 101, 707, 727, SH09, SH-2, Alpha Juno, MS20 and Yamaha CS series could be had for a pittance back in the day.
I got a CS70M back in 89 for $200 and an MS10 for $120. A friend actually gave me their SH09 at the time for nothing.
Prices on much of it only got really outrageous in the mid to late 90’s from my experience.
Ha, yea here’s a pic of the Karenn live setup. I’d like to see how they implement all that…
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Cheers… I’m keen on seeing what he’s using as Trade!! I’ve never seen surgeon using hardware but I’m sure he’s a fan…
Back on topic. I’m also totally sold now.
so, in “chromatic mode” does the machine tune the internal sounds of the rytm & samples? or just the samples…
I’m pretty sure it tunes both.
To be fair, I think it is a lone contrary fella that believes this crock of shit. Every one else seems to be singing from the same hymn sheet.
I presume you’ve seen this?
WTF are you talking about? I have no complaints about the Analog Rytm price, never have. You complained that I had said good things about the TR-8, and I did, and one of the good things about it is its low price, which means many people will be able to afford it. That has nothing at all to do with Elektron’s pricing policy. The machines are different, the companies are different, the target markets are different.
I can’t for the life of me understand how Elektron users even think about using low-quality shit like Roland’s latest offering. You’re right when you say it’s great entry level stuff, but one would assume when you step in the the Elektron world, you’re ready to move forward-not backward.
Guess what, sometimes I make bass sounds in my Octatrack, sometimes in the Analog Four, sometimes I pick up my cheap Epiphone bass and pluck the strings and record it. Apparently you do have a problem with someone liking more than one drum machine, since you can only conceive of things in terms of better and worse, and since the Roland TR-8 is not as powerful as the AR you feel the need to call it ‘low-quality shit.’
Well, that’s your problem. Sometimes I like to make sound using high priced gear, other times I make drum loops by recording things in my kitchen OMG I MADE A PERCUSSION LOOP USING AN $8 WOODEN BOWL AND A SALAD FORK I"M SO ASHAMED THAT MY MUSIC WILL SOUND CHEAP AND PRIMITIVE
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Considering the setup its amazing how mediocre and basic the music they choose to make is. Oh well, best tow the line and gather a big crowd of “music lover” fans rather than do anything new I guess.
Sow, the Analog Rytm will be ideal to combine with my A4.
This will be so much fun!!! BUT:
Will it be possible to use the scenes from the AR to reset or control the Performance parameters of the A4? The AR will have some sort of midi CC out is guess. This would be great!