Function + Clear clears all preset patterns/kits instead of one

Elektron Gear Analog Keys/Four
#1

Something weird is happening and I can’t figure it out. When I clear a pattern (Function + Clear) it clears ALL of my kits patterns (meaning no sound or anything, all kits are now cleared) instead of simply clearing the pattern of the kit I’m working on (for just an example, say Kit 47 is the kit I’m working on). Then, when I recreat a new pattern, while in Kit 47, it re-creates the same pattern in all of the kits, including Kit 47.

Must be some type of global setting that screwed up or??? I"m clueless, this just started I think. Any advice is appreciated.

#2

The way you use the Elektron terminology is confusing me. :zonked:

The Clear function clears your pattern (the trigs); On every track if grid recording is not enabled. On the current track if grid recording is enabled.

So that would perhaps make your A4 stop making sound. But the kits should be untouched. And be intact from it’s saved state.

— added for clarity:

Every pattern (A1, A2… H8, H9… etc) is connected to a kit. A kit can be connected to several patterns. If you change the synth settings of a kit it will affect that kit in every pattern it’s connected to.

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#3

Yeah sorry…I’ve only had this A4 for a couple of weeks I think so very unfamilar w/ alot of the terminology.

That being said, something isn’t right if the other kits should be untouched when issue Function + Clear on a particular kit as it’s erasing ALL patterns for all kits when I issue this command (func+clear). Also, once I create a new pattern for the particular kit I’m working on, it also creates the same pattern for ALL of the other kits. It’s like I have 1 kit available almost…very weird, it must be something I’ve done in the settings but have no idea what it is. :slight_smile:

I wonder if it will downgrade my OS (I have an up to date OS version) if I did a factory reset? I’m not going to do that yet but might be last resort.

Thanks for the reply back! :thumbsup:

#4

Hi _serge,
I suggest to take a look on my old post here:

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#5

Sure. No worries. There’s a lot to take in.

But just to be clear…

A Pattern (A1, A2 etc) is the combination of trigs that make up melody and rhythm.

A Kit is the combination of synth, effect and CV settings.

A pattern autosaves continously. A kit needs to be saved to not be altered (or reversed to its previous state) when loading another kit or switching to a pattern using a different kit.

Func+Clear erases the pattern. You’ll clear the kit by using this function from the Kit menu.

I can’t think of a setting that would alter this concept. And if what you are describing is true - there seems to be a serious software error. In a way that I find somewhat unlikely.

I’m guessing that everything trickles down to initial confusion to the Elektron terminology and machine organisation. Have another look at the manual. The chapter on “Analog Four/Keys Structure” should give you insight to better analyze your problem.

Cheers!

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#6

Curious on how stuff has been working out for you, @_serge. Did you get a grip of it all?

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#7

@CarlMikaelBjork I haven’t had a chance to read the manual or play with the A4 due to work…Will hopefully be able to tomorrow. If I am still having issues I will definitely reply back for help. :thup:

#8

:nej: Bummer!

Best of luck figuring it out. I’m sure you’ll get there.

#9

I have a feeling you may be slightly confused about the relation between kits and patterns. Forgive me if I’m wrong (I don’t have the A4, but assume it’s not too different from MnM in this regard) but from what I’ve read you seem to be under the impression that each kit will have a separate set of patterns associated with it?

For example, if you use kit #47, create a pattern in say, slot A01, that pattern is used up. Simply switching to a different kit won’t bring up a blank A01 pattern—the trig data will remain the same. Similarly, if you switch to say, A02, you can either use the same kit, or a different one altogether. This way, it’s easy to switch between kits simply by switching patterns.

tl;dr: a kit doesn’t save pattern data, only sound settings.

Hope I’m not missing the point here!

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#10

I’m about to have some time to today to read the manual and play with the A4. I’m especially going to pay attention to the Analog Four/Keys Structure section, which was suggested by @CarlMikaelBjork Once I do that, I’ll post back to this topic.

That being said, what’ the best way to get the “stock” kits back into my A4? Can I simply upgrade the OS again? Now, I bought this used so maybe the A4 doesn’t come with any sounds for the kits.

Or maybe a factory reset would do it? And again, if I did a factory resest would that downgrade my OS version?

I’ll hold off on any more questions after I read the manual more though. :thup:

#11

A factory reset will restore all of the preset patterns and kits that came with the A4. It will also restore the sound pool, projects and globals. And of course it will wipe all of your own work in any of those categories!!!

It will not affect the +Drive.
It will not downgrade your OS.

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#12

I have nothing as far as any music on my own saved so that would be the best route I think. Going to read the manual now before I do much of anything though. Thanks for the reply! :thup:

edit: I just did a factory reset and it fixed the issue of ALL presets kit sounds being erased. :thup: Now I can select a kit by doing Function + Kit + Load Kit, then select A01 ( in my case, it gives me a kit named Polytro) and all is good…but…

Now, without reading too much of the manual (sorry, I"m getting to it :pl:) I decided to go to a Bank that isn’t named, in my case A65. I loaded that kit and noticed that it has the patterns of the previous kit I was playing (in my case A01 pattern) I was playing previously. So, assumed I could issue Function + Clear and it could possibly erase the previous pattern (A01) but also give me blank slate to work from, which I was fine with as far as testing things out. The strange thing is this, it not only erased the pattern/sounds for A65 (which is what I was trying to accomplish) but also A01 - A64! :zonked: I see how it could erased A01 as it was the previous pattern but all of the preset patterns?_

_Of course, I’ve got factory reset to use so I’m not worried about it but still, should it be doing that? Sorry for the long explanation and I am going to RTFM by the end of the day but this kind of puzzles me, why would it erase ALL preset patterns?

#13

You’re using the terms pattern, kit, sounds and banks interchangeably, which def means it’s time to sit down and rtfm! :wink:

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#14

Read P.15 of the manual carefully.

“Note that several patterns may use the same kit. Changes you make to the kit while editing one of the patterns will directly affect how the other patterns sound as well. Remember to save the kit to a new location if you wish to avoid this.”

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#15

LOL, okay guys. I’ll get on the manual ASAP before posting anymore. :thup: I hope it’s just confusion on my part…

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#16

The manual is somewhat vague on some things. Quick question, so if try to save a kit (for example Kit A65) to Bank G07 it does not prompt me to rename the kit, shouldn’t it? Or maybe I should simply ask, what are the “button combinations” to save a kit to a new location? I’m reading from the beginning…but it’s a lot to read…wish I had a printed manual too, I hate .pdf’s…end of rant…

#17

You don’t save a kit to a pattern location. A pattern is set to use a kit.

To save changes to a kit, you would press Yes + Kit.

To save a copy of the kit, press Function + Kit, select Save, choose a different kit location (1 - 128). Now the active pattern will be using the copy.

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#18

When I do this, it still clears all the preset patterns of the all the kits, so all kits are linked to each other somehow. I not sure if I like the workflow of this machine or maybe I need to step away from it, I’ll come back later when I’m not so frustrated. All I want is a blank slate without erasing all patterns. In fact, I could care less about the presets in the kits, I like doing everything from scratch. I just don’t remember this happening before the upgrade, I could be wrong though, I just haven’t had it long enough

Also, thanks for the replies. :thup:

#19

A sound is a sound
Some are stored in the +Drive, Some can be in the Pool (for sound locks)

A kit contains sounds, these sounds are ONLY stored in the kits, they can be exported, you can also import sounds to the kit … a kit contains other settings including FX/CV (kits can also have a temporary volatile working version if you modify any parameters)

A pattern contains 6 tracks and there are 8 banks of 16 patterns, these are stores in banks A to H … patterns always link to a kit (any kit)(the current kit if no kit REFERENCE number is explicitly saved into a pattern)

You really need to get to grips with the differences between sounds/kits/tracks/patterns/banks etc etc and where items are stored as when you ask multiple questions with everything turned upside down it becomes almost impossible to read between the lines to establish what you mean

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#20

Surely now you are jestering us. :aw: :totes:

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