They said the same for op-z but only delivered two more engines. Just to help manage expectations.
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It says it has 8 synth engines and if you look at the manual, #4 is “external” which “allows you to turn an instrument track into a midi sequencing track for an external midi device”. Which is useful of course! But why claim that it’s a synth engine with a “unique sound, expanding the sonic palette of the device.”?
Synth engine 5 is called hardsync.
Yeah it’s a basic VA plugin, nothing too exciting.
Interesting, yeah same but I guess I’m not looking to be surprised. Just want to get musical ideas down and the best stuff I’ve done with Move has been with sounds I sampled myself. Which itself was kind of a surprise because I never fully got into sampling before.
I mean obviously opxy is a far deeper sequencer and way more capable if you’re sequencing external gear which is not Move’s strength at the moment. But like I said, really apples and oranges in terms of features, approach, philosophy, and not to mention price.
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Again, you’ve clearly never used it. There’s 16 tracks. you can turn any of the audio tracks into an independent midi sequencer for external gear. You could also have 8 drum tracks if you want. Or 8 synth tracks, etc, but the dedicated midi and cv tracks are part of the 8 auxiliary tracks.
@dragonaut Maybe sit this one out until you have actually used it. You are making odd statements about a piece of gear you haven’t touched based on what you have read from their website…? This thread is about comparisons to two devices and if you have used one, by all means. Clearly you haven’t used one of them, yet you keep rattling off things you aren’t sure of. There are tons of OP-XY users here, best to let them chime in.
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The 4 macros are just for adjusting the oscillator settings the rest of the synths are exposed on the XY, you have full adsrs for both envelopes, filter cut off, filter res, filter types, filter depth, LFO, highpass filter. But also the different engines do offer things outside of the realm that drift covers. 4 preset macros go pretty far on oscillators, and even the engines based on analog subtractive synthesis do have different underlying character when you like make just a basic tone so there is a bit more to it than them just exposing different bits of the same engine or something. They are quite good imo, they dont compete in like sound design compared to like my waldorf or my modular but the sound quality is great imo… bread and butter stuff holds up along side my analog gear.
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just to check - clips can be any length you want, but all tracks have to be the same length, right? like, you can’t have a few tracks in 4/4 and one in 7/8, for example? would love to be wrong about this!
Guys, I clearly said that I’ve never used it. I was curious what the 8 synth engines were so I looked at the site and then had to look at the manual because the website doesn’t say anywhere what the 8 synth engines are. I never said anything about tracks. Synth engines. One of them is clearly listed in the manual as an external MIDI out, is it not? No need to get all defensive, it’s obviously a far more complex and capable device than Move.
No, all tracks don’t have to be the same length, but there’s no real concept of time signatures. So a track in 7/8 you would just need to set to multiples of 7 steps or 14 steps or whatever you want. There’s a “duplicate clip” feature that makes this really handy because you could just make say a 7 step sequence with a trigger on the one and then duplicate it out a bunch of times to the length you want and then play on top of it and capture what you played.
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Yeah, but they could just explain how @dragonaut is wrong, referring to the specific things dragonaut is finding in the manual. What are the 8 synth engines on XY? Aren’t two of these for MIDI sequencing and hard sync? If so, is there something misleading and they actually can do more internal sound design things than dragonaut concludes from reading the manual?
I get the impression dragonaut would be happy to be wrong, but their question hasn’t been answered yet.
Totally get why XY owners here might be annoyed by all the shit talk, but no need to be that defensive in this case. Reading a manual and discovering limitations before mindlessly buying a device is usually very welcomed on Elektronauts. So is sharing user experience differentiating things and showing workarounds for shortcomings.
The impression I got is this: if you’re looking for a device that has deep sound design capabilities, Move and XY are probably not the best option. But Move gives you a synth with all of the parameters accessible to do more classical sound design. XY on the other hand gives you a bit less fine control but has setup clever macros that streamline sound design so you get to make music faster. Both seem fine and you can choose depending on what you’re looking for if the synth engine is a decisive factor. Sounds a bit like whether you prefer open and complex engines like A4/DN vs. engines that are a bit more predefined like ST/AR.
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Please keep this thread about the Move vs the XY, or the Move and the XY.
There’s already a thread for complaining about the OP-XY 
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sequences on separate tracks can be different lengths. separate clips from the same track can be different lengths
also, some of the xy users are chiming in about the Move synth engines second hand as well. Based on YouTube videos. Not from owning both. Not to be offended. First impressions are very important. Drift is indeed “basic” if by that you mean “accessible”, but in terms of a mix might be exactly what fits. Hard to determine what’s “better” in a vacuum. There’s context, there’s taste. There’s also the claim that Drift is “basic.” The same way Dreadbox Nymphes or SH-101 are basic? Which is to say “not particularly basic.” Maybe not as persuasive in a digital counterpart, you could argue.
Hard to discredit move as just a gateway drug for Live. I think a more respectful statement overall is that this forum is shared by pure table toppers–which is an art form-- and hybrid in-the-box people, which is a legitimate production workflow, (and can be a legitimate performance approach, although I agree, I think Move is a downtime, not stage-time, dynamo). One piece of hardware will likely appeal to you more based on how you like to work and the sounds you expect to create
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Now that the latest Move beta has seperate midi outs for each track, it might be a much better fit with the XY. You might use the move’s pads to play drums into the XY’s sequencer, and then develop that with the Brain, while also using the XY’s keys to play instrument on the Move.
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