Both the Force and most MPC lack class compliant MIDI over USB. AFAIK only the MPC Key 37 has class compliant MIDI over USB, without needing any driver or companion app… why?
What it means is that you can’t sequence plugins from the MPC or the Force just by connecting these devices via USB to a computer, save from the MPC key 37.
That’s such an odd limitation for a sequencer with a USB plug, and there is zero technical reasons for that short coming since the MPC key 37 actually does it.
yep no midi over usb boggles the mind considering the multitude of other grooveboxes large and small that are all capable of this
cynical take: its like they designed a box that could do everything and at the last minute mgmt said waitwaitwait we gotta leave room for mk2 ‘features’
next force with double the ram, midi over USB and a tilted screen? (sigh i’d prob buy it)
LOL, They could of at lease gave us the tilt screen. Denying us that is just plan evil. I’m sure the new Force will be hard not to buy. They got years of research on what we like & dislike about the MK1. Until then I would like them to add more QOL updates to the current Force & give us Stems!
Sure, they absolutely could have made Force with the MPC X tilt screen, but the Force was “built-to-cost”, and that would have absolutely raised the MSRP of the machine. So, not so much “evil” as intending to maintain a specific price-point.
There won’t be a new Force. We would have seen it by now. A new MPC with Force-like features, though? Yeah - I’m betting that’s coming.
Most people wouldn’t had mind that extra cost. Just like all the people that bought the more expensive MPC X. Get out of here with bs point.
How do you know what Akai is planing on releasing in the future. Do you work for them?
& your basing that on the fact that they would’ve done it already. That doesn’t make sense because the current generation of MPCs which came out before the Force is still part of the same gen & none of them were given a tilt screen besides the X.
When I mentioned a new Force I meant a new gen not just a slight change & I wouldn’t expect them to do that until the new gen MPC come out. But regardless it was just a wish statement, I didn’t need your reasons why its not the case. Sometimes the best reply is no reply, whatever man.
Hopefully there will be a new Force that will have a tilt screen & other improvements. Is that OK with you?
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Newsflash: not everyone will agree with you and have no issues sharing that sentiment.
I wasn’t hurt by your response. I even gave my reasons against your points. Maybe you missed that part. I was just say my point about the tilt screen didn’t need a breakdown about why they didn’t put on it. But anyway, how is wishing for that, which is something most Force wish it had a BS post?
For those of you that desire a tilt screen, have you tried a stand?
Here’s the 3DWaves 2B Stand with a 30° tilt.
Hurt enough to apparently have the mods flag it.
The BS wasn’t from your original post I was responding to - it was your original response to me in which you called my statement, and I quote:
So you claim my point is BS? I claim your response is BS. Simples.
So you’re delegating what can and cannot be responded to in this forum? Got it. Seems to me if that there is a reasonable and rational argument to be made to anything anyone says, then there is no harm in making it. So I did. Not a big deal. You could have easily just acknowledged that it’s a solid point, learned, and moved on. But no - please continue Akai are being “evil”. 
But you didn’t post “I wish it had”… You posted:
Hence my reasonable response.
I’m making a reasonable assumption, since - you know - Force has been out over 5 years with zero hardware revisions. Meanwhile, the MPC has had… how many again? Several? I’ve honestly lost count.
Now you’re just being silly.
I got a stand & it helps but a tilt screen would be better.
I didn’t flag your post. I hate when they do in most cases.
another option depending on where you are many cities have maker hubs where you can 3D print stuff for very cheap, there’s a free 3D file available on thingiverse
I have a stand for mine, too. Definitely helps with neck pain LOL!
I don’t have an akai ( my last was mpc2000 decades ago ) but thought I’d have a look in here.
Interesting to see the firmware hack
Slightly unsure why the chat is so combatitive . … it’s just a forum with opinions and like most of the internet… has no evidence … it’s just opinion.
That’s something we can agree on.
The dude that made that hacked OS video said there’s big news coming for it.
Also, in the comments section of my video I just posted yesterday, guy said the he modded his crossfader for like $100 but you need skills for doing stuff like that. He said it was worth & may make some videos using it.
Speaking of mods the same OS guy has a tilt screen mod on his channel & there’s another dude that did one, but his has hinges. So there’s options.
MPCs and Force are designed with no computer in mind for music production sort of things. They designed them to be a sort of computer, that’s why you can connect audio interface to it but can’t use it as audio interface for computer. Same with MIDI - it is USB midi host but can’t send MIDI over USB. So that’s philosophy rather than tech. But you can use it in controller mode too…
It definitely needs a tilting screen - for me it will be a game changer. I mean why wouldn’t they do it right away. it is obvious that this gigantic groovebox needs to be tilted to see what’s on the screen unless you are a giraffe…tilted screen would solve the issue and I think this is an issue hat needs to be addressed.
It’s the new/next version of the Force OS. Adding some long-requested features, and also unifying the MPC/Force OS. Get ready. It’s gonna be fly. Akai aren’t done yet.
I wish they would drop a couple of mini versions of the two at the same time, and I wish they went out on a limb and put out a handheld mpc like the m8 as
An mpc in that form factor would complete me
