oh yes haha! the low and dark tomb 
this was done with AR and a sample kick, so two sounds layered, but quiet old already and not mastered.
https://soundcloud.com/sert-berlin/landr-artefacts-of-dr-mehose
https://soundcloud.com/sert-berlin/landr-snewoge-rising
I havenāt had time to bounce some of the new stuff since Iām working live act oriented not producing finished tracks in the last few month. Iāll see that I bounce some stuff this week and share it here!
Hard to believe because?
I know what you mean using samples is like is not pure , is not you , is cheating LOL , i recommend trying the Bp filter and then the envelope you will get various textures and you can add a lot of overdrive , also lfo in one mode modulating pitch , freq filt or something else , also think about the bassline , you need to create a relationship between the kick drum and bass , is music forget about making a perfect 4/4 kick drum alone you will need a bass to pump up your kick drum , try to tune them at same tone even if the bass is really deep or filtered , also donāt work at 127 vel in BD HD for example, analog rytm has too much power sometimes you just need to low the volume , velocity or decay !!
Yeah actually part of the problem is that I have a hard time making the AR kick work with ANY bass line. And by that I mean that the AR is OK, but I always end up using a sample because it works out better in the mix. Of course I donāt have a lot of low end on my NS10s - this is probably part of the problem, but I like to work on them, theyāre so focused!
yes i see your point! try using analog rytm alone for a moment and make the "bassline " from the BT or another kick drum engine ( sharp or plastic is great for this ) of course try to quit all the attack as possible so your kick drum run freely on the field your bass is the companion and mix all well to see , I had the same feeling two months ago but i think you can achieve what you want without samples , are you working with headphones , monitors ?? and what music are you trying to make etc ??
@IVAN_B When youāre using samples, you donāt have to import a sample from a kick.
This can be a waveform to add a support to the bass part, or to get LFO FM crazy on itā¦
Samples are a tool, you may lay any sound, not necessarily your target sample
Have you tweaked the compression ?
If not, it should be the first part to look into.
If you did, well, maybe itās time to do it again 
Hmm, have you rolled off some low freqs from these examplesā kicks?
The second examplesā kick sounds like it could be challenging to coax from a single bd machine, but upon a quick listen I think I could replicate the first examplesā kick with a single machine (might not get a 100% identical result)
The reason I asked is because personally I donāt feel like I need to layer that much to get the kicks I want, especially after the 1.30 update. Usually a single machine is enough, sometimes I use two in a transient/body combination but thatās rare for meā¦ Buut YMMV
IIRC there used to be a lot of talk on this board about the AR kicks ānot sounding thru cheap speakersā or something similar. Using larger amounts of overdrive and pitch modulation seemed to make the kicks translate better in those situations.
On some gigs with ghetto PAs that Iāve played in, I had to crank both pitchmod and overdrive to near ridiculous levels in order to get the kicks cutting thru. Then, on the next gig with a decent PA, I had to spend most of the soundcheck dialing those suckers back lol
oh yeah, one more thing came to mind - make sure your amp envs are tight enough! The default amp env settings suck (wayyy to much decay), and can drown out almost any bassline
Iād be happy to learn how to make it without the samples! cutoff might happen at 30 hz since my speakers go to 45hz only and sometimes I forget to put them back in.
tbh I havent played much with the new engines yet, but hopefully find the time soon!
man, you need to check the new kick machines ASAP - so much new possibilities for kicks (and well tracking synth voices too!)
Thatās something I never thought of! Iāll definitely try this. Maybe I will also try to use the individual kick output to bypass the compressor entirely. Iām also not sure about using OB as input or simply recording the audio through my interface.
@stutech Thanks for the amp envs advice, will definitely take a look!
Been a struggle for me too. Side chaining and multimaximizing have helped me out the most. Also i like to use a hint of abletons saturation plugins. Low latency and customizable. The next thing im going to learn about is imaging. Hope this helps someone out tho!
Can anyone recommend any low latency imaging plugins i could use on my kick track?
Edit: I am using overbridge.
Yeah,
the thing is: If you search for a sound that bomb like actual releases from good artist, you compete with real good mixing and sound arrangersā¦ you will never get a that good result just āplug and playā
But The good news: AR gives the perfect āraw soundā for cool mixesā¦ Just using it live (with the stereo out), i like a little compression (medium attack, long release) and Equing in the mides and highs on the mixer (outboard, sometimes a lot) to get a good out of the box sound.
Preprocessed samples help a lot, though in special for the kick i love damn good processed samples and clear out the low frequencies, so you can mix it perfect with the fat AR bassesā¦
having that good processed samples you get better results out of the box, cause the AR has no EQs, which would be crucial needed to do a good soundmix within the ARā¦
still i love the results better than my jomox, with all in all sounded way to rough for meā¦ the AR has that beautyfull warm soft bassness (and harshness, if i dial in overdrive or crank up the parameters) 
My fav is the pulteq EQ bundle from plug in allianceā¦ it makes the bass hell present and cranks up mids and highs gentlyā¦ really feels like the first plugin, that works like a mixing desk EQ with really good resultsā¦
for imaging, i love the digital EQ from plugin allianceā¦ it really brings percussion to live with the stereo imageā¦ great one!
hi there for my live set i always send the 2 kicks through there separate out so that they donāt go through the compressor it makes them more clear and punchy they can have there own EQ on the mixerā¦. also that way they donāt crush the thin sounds it allows me to have them bigger and pop out of the mixā¦it also allows me to apply more compression on the main out and do a low cut on all the other sounds to get more clarity hope that helpsā¦
Iām into house and tech house. I need my kicks to be deep and fat. And I donāt like using two tracks for the kick.
When I make new kicks, I usually proceed like this:
variations:
add one-shot LFO (e.g. exponential) on volume, pitch, etc. to make the sound sharper.
use the low tom as bassdrum.
advice:
as someone already said, polished and mastered kicks will often sound better. frankly, stop comparing too much and enjoy the unique AR sound.
What role does volume play in all this? Are the machines I perceive as having an easier time dialing in a kick simply louder and thus sound ābetterā to me?
(in my experience)
Easy kicks - TR-8, Jomox Mbase 11, Volca Beats, Machinedrum
Kicks that need significant tweaking and processing - Vermona DRM, Rytm
I know the Rytm is capable of the kick style Iām after. I guess Iām just spoiled by other machines Iāve had in the past and am tempted to repurchase them unfortunately. I donāt think itās all about comparing Rytm kicks to processed samples. Some machines are just a little harder to dial in than others. Iām talking smooth round juicy 808 style kicks. I can get the Rytm plenty loud and aggressive very quickly if I want a distorted kick, but I donāt.
Funny thing is, I know Iāve heard good kicks on my Rytm before. I might switch back to my non-OverBridge setup, try different comp settings, and other tips mentioned above. When I find something I like this time I will be sure to save save save.Thanks!
ohā¦ you recorded via overbridge?
well, thats maybe the dealbreaker. I also tested overbridge for recordingā¦ its a cool controlling tool, but to me the sound is far better when recording it with my RME and separate outsā¦ this is especially for subbassesā¦ ( i really love the BT Subs, which are the kind of Miami Bass TR-8 styleā¦ mixed with a little filtered Rimsound on Top)ā¦
JoMoX: Yeahā¦ they have less sub, but pretty present midsā¦ still i am not really a fan of this sound anymoreā¦ well, but thats personal tasteā¦ still also great tools
volume: thats keyā¦ its all about levelingā¦ dialing away some of the heavy subs with a high cut gives you a lot more room to turn up the volume of the mix in total (also for bass synths)
I havenāt been recording with overbridge specifically because I find the kicks lose something in the translation. Most noticeable is the overdrive sounds much grittier. Non-overbridge, I find the overdrive in low amounts just gives some presence and punch to sounds. I might actually start doing more overbridge, but Iād literally have to go back and tweak most of my kits to make it work.
Most of the kicks Iāve made on the RYTM are strictly synth only no layering. Iāve managed some really nice and membraney type kicks with the BT. In about a year Iāve made around 40 (maybe more) kits of my own and only just recently started layering up samples. Those ones can be tricky since you almost need to re-design your kick several times ā¦ basically I try and get the sample only to sound great ā¦ then slowly bring in the synth part but itās REALLY important that you tune them. Kicks can be hard to tune by ear so sometimes I use a frequency analyzer in reaper to tune the two to each-other (and to the song).
I have a pretty nice formula that I use every time - I passed it on to a friend recently and he was pretty stoked on it:
Thats basically it. The recipe works the same on all the kick engines and really makes them punch. It also works on the BT and thereās a real magic sweet spot that makes BT sound actually more like a real kick than any of the kick engines.
I so love discussion about synthesis. Thank you man, Iāll take some time to analyse LEMās kit again ^^