I’m armed with pints of blood
Ah, neither of those answer my question nirun. I have done some DSP engineering and it’s not the case that ‘there’s only one right way to do it.’ I just wish Elektron would document which particular behavior they are using. Their manuals are often a bit lacking on technical details for basic things, use non-standard acronyms without defining what they mean, and so on.
No offense, but these articles you’re linking to are not relevant. We already know the AR deals with mono samples, for example, so suggesting that both channels of a stereo waveform are normalized to one channel doesn’t have anything to do with the question that was asked.
Good points, I respect your opinion, but I don’t think the manual introduction is all nonsense, just my opinion. I guess I’m a sucka for philosophy more than anything else… especially anything to do with geometry and music.
You should do more math, digital can vibrate plenty. Try an oscillator based on a logistic map for example, or play with a Korg Wavedrum.
Ah, neither of those answer my question nirun. I have done some DSP engineering and it’s not the case that ‘there’s only one right way to do it.’ I just wish Elektron would document which particular behavior they are using. Their manuals are often a bit lacking on technical details for basic things, use non-standard acronyms without defining what they mean, and so on.
No offense, but these articles you’re linking to are not relevant. We already know the AR deals with mono samples, for example, so suggesting that both channels of a stereo waveform are normalized to one channel doesn’t have anything to do with the question that was asked. [/quote]
They are relevant if you are willing to do your own research or do you just want Elektron to hand you over their engineering documents? They are irrelevant if you are lazy and unwilling to do some math and further googling. Why would A stereo sample be arbitrarily panned to one channel? That makes 0 logic they are reducing the sample size/quality to free up memory, i don’t think you have done any DSP engineering either lol.
Ever try loading a file thats too big onto a hard drive? Does it arbitrarily cut the file off right up to the maximum capacity of the hard drive?
Did you even read the links? There are multiple methods stated right in the article. Do you think Elektron is creating their own algorithms from scratch to do everything? Has it occurred to you that you might load a sample that is BELOW that quality- probably not.
Do you think Elektron programmed AI algorithms for the RYTM to decide which channel is best? Either they will be merged to one, or split into two separate mono files. I don’t really see how anything else would happen, so instead of being insulting i thought I would link to you the actual technique used to do so.
I spent 5 minutes googling stereo to mono conversion and found this too:
Mabye you’ll scroll down this time too? 
Cool… I don’t know much about philosophy, but i do like geometry and music.
Pythagoras was the son of a Carpenter … Theres hope
The only serious bit is:
"It is our firm belief that you will have as much fun using the machine as we have had developing it. Enjoy’
elektron were obviously having fun with the rest of the intro by going completely OTT and subtly taking the piss out of elektro-nerds & fanboyism. I think they did a good job! 
to be fair, if you had a time machine and went back and gave Pythagoras a Rytm to play with, he’d probably be pretty impressed.
Does working on this count?
I tried being polite to you, but it’s clear you have no idea what you’re talking about. None. Normalization is a technique for level matching and has nothing to do with processing stereo to mono.
All I asked for was some basic specification information on the operation of the machine, of the kind I am used from other high-quality audio products. For example, I like the level of detail in the Dp4 manual, or that which you might find with a Kurzweil or Emu product.
Either they will be merged to one, or split into two separate mono files.
So you don’t actually know and just decided to fill up space with smack talk instead. I see.
what smack talking? I asked a bunch of questions you dont have answers to either- i think assuming that the stereo sample will be converted to a single mono file, and that some form of normalizing to bring the levels of both channels together to a mono file + a form of multi rate sampling is used to bring various samples to the rytm spec is probably closer to being on topic than flaunting your credentials. No need for insecurity 
I just don’t want you to hold your breath hoping that Elektron answers all of your odd questions.
Probably more effective to contact customer support? Try doing that and prove me wrong instead of being a negative nancy
And I wasn’t being serious at all that a stereo file would be converted to 2 separate mono files. That would not fit in to the workflow of layering digital samples and drum sounds together (would assume that you would prepare the sample that way for whatever reason you wanted outside the rytm first?)
Cheer up man! I’m not trying to argue with you, but trying to help solve the problem together instead of trying to point out whos right and wrong.
Lesson learned though, I will avoid (I wondered why nobody responds to your posts) attempting to help you solve your problems in the future
Yes, indeed!
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Interesting, I remeber looking into that when it came out… would have been, what, 10 years ago or so now?
How did that all go down? Potentially a very interesting device, but I guess competing with the Nord Modulars, Reaktor and the other ones (VazSynth etc)
Ever played around with Eventide / VSig?
Countersigned.
wait so is anigbrowl a DSP engineer on the motorolla/chameleon team or just someone who bought a DSP unit with programmable FX 
hahaha, ok i will stop now
I think with the updates/polishing of features that will happen over the next 6-12 months there will be an updated manual with more detail on the way
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wait so is anigbrowl a DSP engineer on the motorolla/chameleon team or just someone who bought a DSP unit with programmable FX 
hahaha, ok i will stop now 
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Now, now. Be nice.
@Anigbrowl: Am interested, feel free to pm if you prefer rather then, well, stuff and things.
Yes, I was part of the Chameleon team. I did marketing, documentation, some of the synth ‘skin’ programming. Sadly the device never sold too well, it was completed in winter 2001, right at the start of a recession following the 9-11 terrorism so not a good time for new company with a new product.
It was a bit difficult to get press coverage (partly my fault, I didn’t have a good strategy for that) and then there were some technical challenges, eg you had to connect to your computer by serial cable for debugging and programming required knowing C (for the microcontroller) and Motorola 56k assembler (for the DSP). I got to really appreciate the Harvard architecture (which is the same DSP family in Virus, Nord, Elektron gear, though now called Freescale instead of Motorola), but of course this was very hostile to casual users, so all they could do was switch between different ‘sound skins’. We should have used USB, but we should also have built some in-between tool to allow low-level synth programming like Kurzweil VAST or put together a big library of standard DSP stuff. I have seen many other ‘DSP-DIY’ products run into the same problem, most people don’t want to write code but it’s hard for a small manufacturer to create a powerful GUI editor like Reaktor or something.There is some hope for the future with tools like Flowstone DSP and Max/Geo offering a mid-evel interface that makes sense to audio engineers but doesn’t require typing from people to build something. As it was, most people sensibly picked a Nord Modular instead, and eventually so did I
Fun fact: the year we launched at Messe (2002) was the same year Elektron launched the first MachineDrum, I remember trying it out and being very impressed. I also got to shake hands with Bob Moog!
Oh, and Rusty if you liked the DP4 manual then you will love this - full documentation on the internals of the FX chips, which were (unusually) designed by the audio engineers.
that’s actually really awesome, and thankful to have individuals such as yourself on this board to share such stories. 
Sounds like it was pretty interesting and valuable experience regardless of the outcome, and something that results in you looking at aspects of the Elektron machines/documentation/marketing in a much different light compared to end users with no industry experience (such as myself haha)
Hehe, I do look at things with a bit of a critical eye because I have often been the person who ends up having to write out explanations for obscure features or software behaviors.