SB-1 Space Bee

The other side of the coin is that this also smells of hubris and inexperience, the belief that your seed only needs soil to grow, and that once planted it will flourish.

Anyone who has grown anything, financial or agricultural, knows that there are infinite variables in-between, and inexperience can lead you nowhere faster than just about anything else can.

The fact that they’re assembling boards on a mass scale shows they’re serious about delivering. The fact that the boards are being assembled at a factory in the SF bay area or simi-valley California (with some of the highest per hour minimum wage guarantees of anywhere in the United States) tells you that the cost of the endeavor is probably quite a bit beyond their initial expectations. The fact that it took 6 years to get to a product that’s still being assembled and still short on pieces to finalize the deal says that someone involved in logistics had no idea what they were getting themselves into.

There is no excuse for the disparity between the initial promises and statements of a production ready product and the reality of this update for a product still under development, but in the real world outside of kickstarter, people invest and lose money on ventures like this all the time with nothing to show for it.

The difference here, is that kickstarter investors are customers investing in a product which does not yet exist, and investors in the real world are generally people expecting either an ongoing return on their investment, or the return of the initial investment plus some agreed upon multiple of that investment in a lump sum payment. In both cases, accountability is negotiated by the initial terms and kickstarter (in this way) does not provide what you would consider “favorable terms” for investors, or “backers”.

At the original price this looked unrealistic and farfetched to imagine they could deliver a device that meets expectations. At the current forecasted price, one can imagine a product being delivered but as chiasticon points out, there is literally no advantage to buying this over buying a couple of SH-101’s.

I’d love to see something that is not the MS-1, with a keyboard, in a beautiful form factor which can act as an acceptable substitute for an OG SH-101. I am not, however, willing to pay $2000 for “that product” I’m imagining even if it’s currently available and shipping today.

Bummer. But whether by delusion or fear of God, it’s nice to see that they’re still at it in some capacity which allowed them to post an udate!

See you in another 6 years Space Bee!

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For generalized discussion of Kickstarter projects and crowdfunding issues there is the Crowdfunding – the G.B. & U. thread.

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looks like I’m in the right place!

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That’s a kind way to frame it :slight_smile:

errybody wants to be a “founder”, don’t they?

At least it’s not an NFT/AI company…

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So glad I never backed this. I saw the original kickstarter and almost did. Bullet dodged.

Not long after, I got given an SH101. Lucky me. It did come at a cost though, I had to teach my self how to fix it, learn how to solder etc. And do several repairs, hours of troubleshooting, experiments. I also did a midi retrofit.

From what I hear and see the MS1 doesnt quite hit the spot, and that companies products always always always look wrong. Which is important.

The novation BS2 gets very close into SH101 territory. But the layout is very different.

If someone could manufacture a straight copy, that does exactly what an SH101 does, and do it at a good price, that looks nice, instant win.

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Well you did miss the second part “On the kickstarter backer’s dime”. I don’t think that is acceptable, and it is one of the reasons I don’t back anything on kickstarter. I work on my own electronics synth projects, and my day job is at a contract manufacturer, so I have some understanding of the challenges of designing a complex device like this. But I’m not running any kickstarters or asking for money for my unfinished ideas.

If it was a strict money grab scam they would have stopped updating anyone years ago.

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Of course, I wasn’t thinking you were defending the guy, something in the framing made me laugh. I would love having someone pay for EE education on the job!

I’m not gonna pay $1500 for someone else’s of course.

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Once the Roland Aira S-1 came out, this felt extra pointless.

They couldn’t be more different in terms of size and user interface, but damnit the S1 is portable, battery powered and sounds incredible. It really scratched the itch for good from me, and I had/have lots of great clones.

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Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox

– a philosophical argument that claims that an object can never reach its destination because there are an infinite number of halfway points to cover to get there.

Made real for us by the relentless developers at Superlative. This is the product that was originally promised for June 2020, and then successively had the delivery moved further and further out, as they got “better and better” with their production methods, and cut the remaining tasks left in half yet again.

This is a quote from their update on January the 3rd of this year, twelve months ago :

Assembly is officially scheduled for Spring, with additional units to dealers this Summer.

While we missed our goal of shipping the SB01 in 2023, we are in a sustained push until delivery.

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OK that didn’t happen.

This now from their last update on November 30th, the fifth update after that January 3rd one, and the 36th update total so far :

All SB01 circuit boards have been completed and are waiting at our contract manufacturer’s factory, but we had to make the decision to step up to higher quality metal and plastic part vendors this summer because our previous vendor’s output wasn’t meeting our standards for what we needed to ship.

We were working hard all year to be able to ship out by this fall and have also invested considerable time working with the previous vendor, so we did not reach the decision to onboard new vendors lightly.

To move forward quickly, we started working with a professional manufacturing engineer

All production orders were placed last month and vendors have indicated a late January delivery for a complete factory build of the synth early next year.

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OK so final manufacturing production is now scheduled to start at the end of January 2025, for delivery sometime in that year.

The end of 2024 seemed a good time to post this. I wonder where they have found the resources ( like money ) to continue. Hiring a manufacturing engineer ( that they needed in 2019 ) has got to be expensive, and worth every penny.

As has been written a few times already, and just said so well by ddiamond84, this now seems rather pointless, though less so to all those that put their money in this project. But I guess it is – SO WHAT, we are going to do this and do it right, no matter what it takes, and no matter how it looks.

I feel then in some odd back-handed way they deserve to be complemented, for their dogged ( pig-headed ? ) determinism.

I just wish that a certain other company could suffer a promise in this same way.

“Yes we got delayed and have gone bankrupt, and lost all our employees, lost our jobs and our incomes, lost the company and all the other profitable products that we were producing, and been roundly embarassed in front of our peers. But, SO WHAT ! That doesn’t mean we won’t deliver on our promise, which we hold solemn, and give you the product just like we said we would… Only it’s going to be a little late.”

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I have completely given up on this ever showing up on my doorstep, it’s been lies, missed promises, and kicking the can for over 5 ( FIVE! ) years now. I’ve held onto hope for so long that I’d be pleasantly surprised, instead I’ve been disappointed again and again.

/rantOver

Lesson learned:
Never kickstart anything over $100

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I have spoken to the owner of superlative and they previously worked at a very successful tech startup, so I assume they got very lucrative stock options that they cashed out to start superlative. Then in the grand tradition of tech companies, they got someone else to pay for their risk instead of spending their own money.

EDIT: I also wouldn’t be surprised if after they launched the successful kickstarter that they were able to find external investment funding. Talking to the guy, he seemed quite good at talking the talk.

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More likely than the Avalon Bassline I ordered 4 years ever materializing.

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You ordered on with the latest batch? Most of us have received ours, Brian has at least been semi-consistently shipping them and SpaceBee hasn’t indicated they’re ready to manufacture still.

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From a rough guess I think there are something like 50-100 people maybe around 1/3rd from the first chance to order the last avalons still waiting on them (me included) I think he also desperately trying to finish his VS-1 firmware which was kickstartered about 5 years ago also so he can deliver on that. But yeah I feel like there is a fair chance at this point that people who haven’t gotten there avalons get left in the lurch if the VS-1 doesnt get out the door, given the last avalon run itself was an effort to supplement the issues with getting VS-1 to market, the old dig a hole to get out of a hole strategy.

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Promising update from superlative, for anyone who actually invested in this long-term tug at the old heart strings.

Dated Feb 28th 2025
SB01: Analog Synthesizer of the Future by Superlative Instruments — Kickstarter

Hey everybody, assembly is now weeks away.

All of our metal parts arrived by sea freight in great condition at our contract manufacturer several weeks ago. However, we’ve had to go a couple more rounds than expected with our plastic vendor to smooth out improvements to our parts and molding parameters.

Fine tuning injection molded parts like our keybed and buttons with specific fitment and feel is a detailed process, which went a bit slower than expected over both the winter and lunar new year holidays. Fortunately, we are approving golden samples this week and beginning volume production the next, with assembly commencing later in the month as soon as our plastic parts arrive at the factory.

We are now finalizing our shipping box and have opted for a heavy-duty 100% cardboard approach for sustainability with a custom designed floating insert that fully protects the synth from any possible drops.

Lastly, we have fully completed EMI testing and certification- a simple thing to say but one of our last major milestones.

Thanks for hanging in there- we’re very close now.

-Superlative

So good for them, and good for you if you invested and finally get one. The fact that some companies are seeing it through until delivery is reassuring that humanity has (probably) not lost all hope.

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This does nothing for your frustration and I definitely felt it too- that said, I’m 99.9% sure you will get your order. The fact that it’s so long after really really stinks. You’ll get it though.

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Six years of waiting, five minutes of playing… bored of it and sell it on reverb…lol

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SB01: Analog Synthesizer of the Future by Superlative Instruments » March update — Kickstarter

Things are starting to look up for SB01.


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