Found this upgrade price which might be reasonable:
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I recently got artist 6 & Iām trying to move myself on from (very) long time Cubase. So far itās great.
One difference that Iām not keen on is that the track volume is basically the mixer volume instead of scaled midi volume. Is there any way to change this to Midi track volume?
Also muting it stops the midi input passing through to the instrument even with monitor switched on.
This seems a strange design choice, I donāt see what the benefit is. If controlling a Multi-timbal plugin like sampletank then the track volume is shared across all tracks that use sampletank regardless of which midi channel they target.
ā¦well, letās not forgetā¦only logic and cubase are those classic daws, that were already studio sequencer when there was midi onlyā¦
when they both included audio treatment for the first time, all recent fresh takes on daws like ableton, bitwig, studio one were still at least a decade away in the futureā¦
and until today, there are no other daws that can call their midi implentations that deep core zero as cubase and logicā¦
the fact that track volume represents actual mixer volume is a common thing on all later dawsā¦
once u get used to it, uāll find it an advantageā¦
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Iām still not getting what the advantage of not having an individual track level is? The tracks are still Midi tracks pointing at a virtual rack instrument. I can only see that itās taken something away. It makes using a multi-timbral instrument a nightmare.
I also use Bitwig, Bitwig & Ableton are very different, they basically use tracks as a chain of inserts like a Modular, but Studio One is still virtual rack based, the Mixer channel is separate from the track, you point the midi track at the instrument which is an audio channel where the instrument is loaded. You can point the track at a different instrument, & the instrument still exists on its mixer channel.
A forum without a kind hearted curmudgeon like you is like an ocean without sea urchinsā¦or salt for that matter.
I started out with really optimistic feelings about S1 & Presonus, today I discovered that the forum link is well & truly hidden in the site, itās only on the main site & not the user area. Instead there is a newer community section which is linked in, but you can only post to it if you are sphere subscriber at $14.99 - monthā¦ wow that is cold & hard.
The forum link thing is annoying because you go to the forum & even though you are signed in on my.Presonus it seems to want you to validate via logging in again & so send you to the my.Presonus page where there is no link back.
maybe itās all an accident & Iām being too cynical
Reminds me this:
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Nice! I use it on Windows but focus now on Logic X as my DAW.
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What exactly are you trying to achieve? Iām not familiar with Cubase, but maybe I can help you get going what you want to get going in Studio One.
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Well usually you have a volume level for the midi track & a volume for the Audio track the plug-in is on. So when you are using a multi-Timbral instrument like Kontakt or Sampletank, you can set the level of the individual track from the DAW rather than within the app itself. In S1 the track level is just the audio mixer level, so for example if you had 2 tracks pointing at sampletank, the track slider will change all tracks pointing at sampletank.
Iāve come to the conclusion that the way to work around it with virtual instruments is to use multi-outputs if the instrument supports it. But I also use MIDI hardware & MIDI tracks donāt even have a volume slider at all which is bizarre, generally you get CC10 & 7 for volume & pan. Thatās really inconvenient for multi-timbral. Itās not so easy to assign individual audio channels for MT hardware.
I am really liking it though, no DAW is perfect & Cubase has been frustrating for me for years since SX1. I like that S1 is similar & uses the same shortcuts. The pattern side of it is really good, I love working with step sequencers & itās really well integrated. It just needs conditionals. Iām spending an hour a day exploring different aspects & the lack of clutter, the grouping of VSTs is really good & pretty elegant.
I guess for the midi volume Iāll have to use an automation lane, so itās workable, but it is painful 
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They seem to be pushing Sphere hard these days, and harder to get a simple upgrade non sphere. I have held off upgrading as I am just not using it enough to justify it right now. Just not interested in monthly subscriptions as I use the software too irregularly.
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Yeah, Iām not sure how imposing a new class system for ācommunity supportā is a selling point. It definitely makes you feel under appreciated as a user. Having said that though, artist is a full on DAW & thereās only a couple of things that make me want Pro. I did get Artist 4 a few years ago & I donāt think it allowed 3rd party VSTs. I felt like Iād wasted my money at the time.
I can see how these subscriptions are a life saver for a steady income for the companies, but I think thereās not much of a home/hobby market for them. Thereās so many now fighting for that pot at a time when the cost of living is through the roof (here in the UK at least). I think if it was tiered based on earnings like a Reaper license it might be more attractive, but thereās no way support channels should be locked behind a paywall imo, thatās insulting the people whoāve already given money. It feels like when Elektron were going to charge for Overbridge.
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Yeah, thatās the S1 way for multi-timbral instruments. Alternatively you could load one instance per track, but thatās not the most resource efficient approach.
Not sure how this would work out for the midi hardware you have in mind or if this adds anything to your use case, but if you click on āshow automationā above the track view, then go to your midi track of choice, click on āDisplay: Offā and click āAdd / Removeā, in the right column of the pop-up menu you should see a folder named āMIDIā where you can select āvolumeā as an automation laneā¦that would be midi volume and decoupled from the track volume (in your mixer), BUT if you move that, it will still affect the VSTās volume as a wholeā¦alrernatively maybe work with clip gains?
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Ahhhh thanks for that, itās a shame it hides the part but does provide a slider! I think I prefer adding volume & expand so you get the volume slider & the part. Iāve just tested with the TI & it does affect the channels appropriately so it doesnāt quite make up for not having a default slider but itās a great solution to the problem, thanks for the pointer!
It seems quite brave with the hardware resurgence of the last 10-15 years to just not support midi volume. Itās like being obstinate for the sake of it, Iām surprised people havenāt complained endlessly. Even Bitwig deals with hardware really elegantly and has a ping & auto set latency tool. But I only have artist I know thereās some more external instrument options in Pro, so maybe that offers some more solutions.
I havenāt come across clip gains yet Iāll look into that next!
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Edu pricing on 6 looks pretty good right now. Would love some thoughts for my workflow. Especially if you see some similarities in yours.
Iāve been wanting to give Studio One a proper shot after enjoying the demo a few years back.
Iām currently the most familiar and practiced with Bitwig (over the last 4 years) and Ableton before that. The Bitwig UI clicks a lot more for me than Ableton. Studio One looks very clean and simple too, which I appreciate.
E: I firmly believe the best DAW is the one you know, but I enjoy trying new tools and I am at a good place between two big projects where I could spend some time trying something new.
I make music thatās kind of all over the place. Some of which is for client based projects which can vary a lot. Organization and simplicity of workflow are huge to me.
A lot of what I make falls into experimental electronic territory and naturally one would assume Iād get a lot of benefit from Ableton / Bitwig in this realm but the kicker here is that Iām nearly completely external with my sound and idea generation methods. I just want to record, overdub and comp this process with as little friction as possible. Mostly committing to audio from the get go too.
Iām not going to get into a daw-less rant here, especially as Iāve definitely relied on a DAW throughout my entire music making journey. BUT I do consider myself a hands on musician in the sense that I will do a lot of live takes of my hardware guitars / synths / drum machines.
Iād much rather have daw flexibility for recording / effects / mixing and mastering purposes. You know, the less fun stuff. In this realm, I want the DAW to be out of the way as much as possible. Which is exactly what I hear Studio One does well.
Can anyone chime in for my use case? I work largely with audio but occasionally like to program some midi for my external gear and then immediately bounce to audio while live tweaking.
Something specific I am also curious about is any kind of handling of āfree tempoā - for some of my experimental explorations, Iāll often manipulate the timing of a sequence on the fly and take a piece into a new realm.
In Bitwig Iāve managed to completely turn off the grid and snapping for these sections. Some cursory research into Studio One looks like I can make a sort of tempo map if I want to. But through melodyne? Does this work stock?
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Iām not expert in S1 but this is the DAW I use all the time.
I love it simplicity and stock plugins are really good for mixing and mastering.
The record process is straightforward, I think itās the number 1 choice for mixing and record external gears.
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Studio One user here and the DAW is great for this. Clean, modern, intuitive and quick UI. The browsers are all really well laid out IMO and I have had little to no issues to speak of in the years I have been using it. Like you, most of my experimentation happens outside of the computer and I have typically just needed a good, traditionally oriented DAW to deal with the audio signals. I highly recommend Studio One for this purpose.
I am looking to get more experimental in a DAW environment and have been looking at bitwig or ableton for that, since I find studio one is not a great environment for it. Itās instruments are fine, but I am mostly using third party soft synths when I am doing any sound design in the box. It sounds like you are coming in the opposite direction so this wouldnāt be an issue for you. The stock plugins for mixing/mastering are quite good though.
Does this smoothly.
Not sure about this - have never tried.
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Good thoughts! Thanks man.
Iād definitely recommend Bitwig if you want to get more experimental / creative with the DAW itself. I think its a no brainer when you consider the new .dawfile that shares projects between BW and S1 specifically. Kind of wild.
The Grid stuff isnāt totally my cup of tea in Bitwig but even with the standard modulars, there is so much you can do even on a mix level that is truly next level. Sidechain anything to anything. Want to make a manual delay flange that gets more feedback when the kick tapers off? Easy peasy.
Iāve been setting up and using S1 this last week and Iām really digging it! The project / mastering workflow seems really amazing. Iām in the final stages of a big project and Iām actually going to take the time to port that whole project over to Studio One for final mix / mastering and just general organization.
Another feature Iām really excited about is the per clip FX. Iāve honestly wanted something like this for years. I think its kind of underrated for experimental electronic type stuff. Super easy to splice little sections of audio and add drastically different effect bursts to them. Almost feels reminiscent of a tracker.
Even just the more pedestrian uses of sending the occasional delay riser are great. Itās so much nicer to have this effect live on the clip and not clutter the mixer strip.
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I probably should read release notes more often. As a heavy Studio One and casual Bitwig user, I was unaware of this new feature until I read your post.
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