A Syntakt II Makes More Sense Than A Killer Syntakt FW Update (?)

I’m thinking that a FW update that improves Syntakt to more-or-less Digitakt II level will not benefit Elektron. They already have the template in Digitakt II for a Syntakt II.

It would be quite generous of them if they release an update like that on Syntakt. But I’m hoping they are that generous. :crossed_fingers:

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They’ve been generous with firmware updates for more than a decade, Syntakt’s platform is also their latest before the DT2 and probably still has lots of room for improving in the software side.

Don’t understand why you would think otherwise, Elektron as a manufacturer has earned some of our respect through their support of older products for many years at this point…

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I’m pretty sure the main reason for the DT2 hardware revision was that the recent firmware additions had pushed the existing processor and memory capacity to its limits. The existing components simply could not handle any more new processor hungry features. So if Elektron wanted to continue with their Digitakt journey they had to upgrade the internals. The Syntakt, on the other hand, is much newer so probably still has room to grow without impacting performance.

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I’m not sure that the level of development (feature-wise) on the Digitakt II was accounted for in Syntakt’s future (i.e. 128-step sequencer). It seems that the path forward for takt/tone trio has changed in the time between Syntakt’s release and Digitakt II’s development.

But I do hope that Elektron will not be frugal in adding features to Syntakt in future FW updates just to preserve interest in Syntakt II - which I think will be coming sooner than later.

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I wouldn’t mind to have only 4 leds for that. :content:
But they are red only I am afraid, so the color couldn’t change.
(Rgb on the DT2)

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Certainly looks that way, though you could argue that syntakt

  • doesn’t need stereo as it’s all generated signal then panned
  • doesn’t need more memory since it’s only storing presets (changes if they were to add a simple sample engine)
  • already has more than 8 tracks

But welcome definitely, 128 steps, euclidean, auto-naming, page looping … but does that necessitate the new infrastructure and (allegedly) new code in rust ?

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They did it for ARMKII (except 128 steps).

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and I’m here still expecting an update for the original Digitakt, the Syntakt is a Recent machine, so I’m not expecting Any successor at this point doesn’t make sense.

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I think to refresh the Syntakt hardware when its a baby would create unprecedented fury on here haha. Cant see it happening!!!

Digitone more likely first (on presumption we will never see the “flagships” upgraded)

It is a unique / weird situation though with the DT2 128 steps. Kind of a new era

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As a syntakt owner; I would not be happy if they abandoned development into such a young product to release a new version.

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I’m only really keeping my Syntakt in the hope it will be updated at some point as I don’t think the current machines are great

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I’m compelled to mention that the Digitakt E25 was released just a few months before Digitakt II as a reply to your message regarding an unprecedented fury. Although I do know that the scenario is not a complete parallel to a hardware refresh on Syntakt.

I think the best feature that Elektron can put into Syntakt II would be polyphony - that would be at par with the stereo upgrade on Digitakt II. So, I’ve relegated polyphony at the bottom of my wish list for my Syntakt.

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Yeah I am a E25 owner (slightly annoyed but kind of over it!) but guess technically its still the same old 7 year digitakt (or so im told thats the way to perceive it haha). So yeah a bit different scenario compared to Syntakt I guess

Elektron has been really good with fw updates. i think we can rely on the hardware. We don’t need a new Box every year like a phone.

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I can’t imagine a 2 years old baby box with a lot of empty slots will get abandoned so quickly.

If they do, plz leave us a SDK for ST1 digital machines and probably i can make an update for myself.

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My concern is that, if Syntakt is running on the old hardware platform, it may have released in a state that is close to maximizing what can realistically be achieved with it.

Certainly, the physical interface follows the “old” Digi design, rather than the updated layout of the Digitakt 2.

There are a lot of things from DT2 I’d like to see on Syntakt - and upgrades like polyphony - which are probably only possible with new hardware.

But I don’t really see Elektron replacing it any time soon - because it would kill a lot of good will, and unnecessarily split development resources they have.

They’re probably focused on DT2 for now.
Then perhaps a Digitone successor - or a new box on this hardware platform.

I’d love it if there was an SDK, or if they open-sourced the firmware for the original Digi line - though I think it’s unlikely to happen.

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Delete everything related to Trig Modifiers to make some room for ‘‘better’’ features.

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384 step sequencer FW upgrade confirmed.

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My take:

  • Elektron is a small team. They just released a new platform built in Rust. Now this small team needs to split their time between the legacy platform(s?) and the new one. That will mean slower rollout of new features.
  • Their priority should be the new platform. Surely they’re planning on bringing more new devices that use this platform so part of their time is likely spent working on that too.
  • Syntakt is based on the same platform as DT/DN. This means that capacities are probably close to maxed out already. I get error messages about too many p-locks on my patterns. Can’t imagine them ever squeezing in 8-bar sequencing.
  • Yes it’s the newest release on the old platform, but it’s more importantly on the old platform.

Bottom line: I think we’ll be lucky if we can get a couple of good new features/machines for the Syntakt, and we shouldn’t expect much more than that. I hope I’m wrong. :blush:

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I sold my Syntakt. I hope that a Syntakt II is created that has better hi-hats, more FX (chorus, compressor, etc.), and parameter slides.

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