point 20, MIDI control over mixer:
i say remove this one!
my reasons:
again, correct me if im wrong and point out things i missed : )
points 2 and 18 are similar, both are about nomenclature. put them into one point.
personally, i think both points are completely negligible. you wont make better music because of these functions.
Another one. What do you mean by granular machine? The OT already does a basic form of “granular synthesis” if you know how to: any loop and ADSR-capable sampler does.
Also, there are tons of free apps doing this and they all sound similar. what’s the point of another one? just use the ipad, luke.
feel free to contradict me of course, but such is my opinion.[/quote]
yeah, you are right! as i mentioned before, i don’t think that new machines are importand at the moment. imo the most important thing is the organization and naming of things. i don’t even included the effects and machines to the first poll… ok let us try to reduce the list down to 10!
delete point 4.
this is accomplished by selecting the correct trigger mode. (hold)
EDIT: incorrect. see below.
no. better music is another thing.
but i would use it very much becouse of the many projects i have and i realy loose the overview ( bank, pattern, scenes = huge meshup!)
what do you mean? i mean for example when you record thru MIDI to have the velocity and note length recorded… (in chromatic mode f.e.)
what do you mean? i mean for example when you record thru MIDI to have the velocity and note length recorded… (in chromatic mode f.e.)
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4: length recording of audio notes is determined by the trig mode: “one” will play the whole sample. “hold” will play while you hold the button down. finer points in the manual.
5. certainly no velocity possible on the OT’s buttons! as from external gear, that’s MIDI, which is already implemented… the MIDI sequencer records both length and velocity.
so again… not clear what these points are asking for…
delete both and go back to the manual for a sec… unless i completely misunderstand.
what do you mean? i mean for example when you record thru MIDI to have the velocity and note length recorded… (in chromatic mode f.e.)
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4: length recording of audio notes is determined by the trig mode: “one” will play the whole sample. “hold” will play while you hold the button down. finer points in the manual.
5. certainly no velocity possible on the OT’s buttons! as from external gear, that’s MIDI, which is already implemented… the MIDI sequencer records both length and velocity.
so again… not clear what these points are asking for…
delete both and go back to the manual for a sec… unless i completely misunderstand.[/quote]
very interesting. i’ll check this out!
van, this is the list, if i had compiled it.
let’s think about this some more and i’m sure the discussions will yield some good solutions…!
what do you mean? i mean for example when you record thru MIDI to have the velocity and note length recorded… (in chromatic mode f.e.)
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4: length recording of audio notes is determined by the trig mode: “one” will play the whole sample. “hold” will play while you hold the button down. finer points in the manual.
5. certainly no velocity possible on the OT’s buttons! as from external gear, that’s MIDI, which is already implemented… the MIDI sequencer records both length and velocity.
so again… not clear what these points are asking for…
delete both and go back to the manual for a sec… unless i completely misunderstand.[/quote]
NO! it does not work! ok here is my setup:
synth(midi, MIDI GLB CH 1)-> OT(sample, track1, MIDI GLB CH 1):
when i play the sound/sample it plays how i play it ( lentgh). when i record it it has the length of the HOLD/RELEASE values.
when i set up to “hold” it doesn’t record enything…
I’m i doing something wrong?
ps. sorry, i mean not PLAYING- i mean RECORDING the length!
what about management (1…)? do you seriously think it is unimportant?
perhaps we let thing like Bugs, new machienes and FX out of the list? those are for a separate thread. (imo)
and concentrate only about important functions?
yes. but the bug i added is part of an important function, the playback cursor would otherwise be part of the wishlist – therefore it is eligible for the update wishlist.
what do you mean? i mean for example when you record thru MIDI to have the velocity and note length recorded… (in chromatic mode f.e.)
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4: length recording of audio notes is determined by the trig mode: “one” will play the whole sample. “hold” will play while you hold the button down. finer points in the manual.
5. certainly no velocity possible on the OT’s buttons! as from external gear, that’s MIDI, which is already implemented… the MIDI sequencer records both length and velocity.
so again… not clear what these points are asking for…
delete both and go back to the manual for a sec… unless i completely misunderstand.[/quote]
NO! it does not work! ok here is my setup:
synth(midi, MIDI GLB CH 1)-> OT(sample, track1, MIDI GLB CH 1):
when i play the sound/sample it plays how i play it ( lentgh). when i record it it has the length of the HOLD/RELEASE values.
when i set up to “hold” it doesn’t record enything…
I’m i doing something wrong?
ps. sorry, i mean not PLAYING- i mean RECORDING the length!
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lemmecheck. get right back to you
what about management (1…)? do you seriously think it is unimportant?[/quote]
it is not important to me, i admit… it’s entirely enough for me if i can name samples and projects. (they still end up with names like “project 422”, “AAA”, “111b” and such)
what do you mean? i mean for example when you record thru MIDI to have the velocity and note length recorded… (in chromatic mode f.e.)
[/quote]
4: length recording of audio notes is determined by the trig mode: “one” will play the whole sample. “hold” will play while you hold the button down. finer points in the manual.
5. certainly no velocity possible on the OT’s buttons! as from external gear, that’s MIDI, which is already implemented… the MIDI sequencer records both length and velocity.
so again… not clear what these points are asking for…
delete both and go back to the manual for a sec… unless i completely misunderstand.[/quote]
NO! it does not work! ok here is my setup:
synth(midi, MIDI GLB CH 1)-> OT(sample, track1, MIDI GLB CH 1):
when i play the sound/sample it plays how i play it ( lentgh). when i record it it has the length of the HOLD/RELEASE values.
when i set up to “hold” it doesn’t record enything…
I’m i doing something wrong?
ps. sorry, i mean not PLAYING- i mean RECORDING the length!
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lemmecheck. get right back to you[/quote]
ok, i can duplicate this.
playing live in chromatic mode is fine, the sample plays only while the button is held (i’m testing this in chromatic mode without an external MIDI keyboard). as soon as the sequence gets recorded and played back, the samples play out until the next one is triggered. (according to the AMP settings for HOLD and RELEASE).
Note off does not seem to be recognized?
so the workaround seems to be: record your sequence using normal trigs, then set the length of the notes with trigless trigs. not ideal.
→ your list point 4 is valid until proven otherwise.
see what i mean?
please Skeve, don’t take this personally, but i think you should just get one somewhere for 50 bucks…?[/quote]
wtf is wrong with you? “dont take this personally”…?
of course i have a tuner. i have 3-4 hardware ones, free software ones, etc.
but when my audio stream is all running through the octatrack, and i’m doing things live, it’d be nice to have a quick reference built in.
especially when i’m using analog synths that can vary in exact pitch based on settings, etc.
I just know it could be added easily as an option on a “thru” machine where there are openings.
just because you can’t think of a way to use it doesn’t mean you have to leave a condescending comment.
see what i mean?
please Skeve, don’t take this personally, but i think you should just get one somewhere for 50 bucks…?[/quote]
wtf is wrong with you? “dont take this personally”…?
of course i have a tuner. i have 3-4 hardware ones, free software ones, etc.
but when my audio stream is all running through the octatrack, and i’m doing things live, it’d be nice to have a quick reference built in.
I just know it could be added easily as an option on a “thru” machine where there are openings.
just because you can’t think of a way to use it doesn’t mean you have to leave a condescending comment. [/quote]
ok, really sorry if this offended you.
i still don’t see the value of it except for highly specific situations and users.
but maybe you could explain more closely, what do you mean by “quick reference”, for example? in a live situation, what do you gain from seeing the note pitch, instead of playing things by ear?
if i understand correctly, you would require tuners on all of your thru machines, to adjust the synths’ pitches visually. monophonic pitch analysis for example is not brutally cpu intensive, but i don’t know how the OT would cope with, say 6 of these tuners…
see what i mean?
please Skeve, don’t take this personally, but i think you should just get one somewhere for 50 bucks…?[/quote]
wtf is wrong with you? “dont take this personally”…?
of course i have a tuner. i have 3-4 hardware ones, free software ones, etc.
but when my audio stream is all running through the octatrack, and i’m doing things live, it’d be nice to have a quick reference built in.
I just know it could be added easily as an option on a “thru” machine where there are openings.
just because you can’t think of a way to use it doesn’t mean you have to leave a condescending comment. [/quote]
ok, really sorry if this offended you.
i still don’t see the value of it except for highly specific situations and users.
but maybe you could explain more closely, what do you mean by “quick reference”, for example? in a live situation, what do you gain from seeing the note pitch, instead of playing things by ear?
if i understand correctly, you would require tuners on all of your thru machines, to adjust the synths’ pitches visually. monophonic pitch analysis for example is not brutally cpu intensive, but i don’t know how the OT would cope with, say 6 of these tuners… [/quote]
i’m sorry 
it is good if i am going to introduce an older analog synth (they have trouble playing in tune) and i want to check the tuning visually instead of listening to it. i use the main outs and cue outs all at once, so introducing something to either mix to check the tuning could potentially sound like crap.
also i could have my hardware tuner at other points in the signal chain but sometimes i like to have really compact setups, and it’s just one less puzzle piece.
sometimes things can be in tune during setup and change midway through the set.
i detailed how this could be implemented somewhere else on here i’ll try to find it
here are my old posts:
so I made / loaded an A440 sin wave sample …works great! Not the best solution but great so far for basic tuning.
I have been thinking more about this though and here is how I think it could be implemented:
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EXTERNAL TUNER FUNCTION
By pressing [TRACK] + [BANK] the incoming audio assigned to the the track will be be monitored by a tuner. The note will be displayed relative to the reference pitch that has been set for A . Note that the track must contain a Thru machine for this shortcut to work.
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That’s fake, but I’d love to see something similar in the manual 
Is there anywhere to specifically post suggestions? This would be an awesome feature I think, and probably would be extremely easy to implement.
well i mean by no means is it urgent or groundbreaking…but it’s one of those bread and butter things that could easily be implemented…i doubt it would take them long at all, not even man-hours. it’s such a simple thing to code, it a) wouldn’t take much space and b) would only go where there is nothing currently and c) serve people who use the OT as a mixer for live acts, specifically those with guitars/basses, with something that was great to use without having to listen/monitor anything.
This also allows for very accurate tone/semitones, reference pitches, etc.
something like this:
sure, the current ways work well. but this ensures 100% accuracy, the ability to tune on visual cues alone, etc.
just surprised it’s not already in it 