When you think of punk do you think of a style of music or a youth movement design to get under the skin of authority?
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Punk rock: Genre family of music.
Punk: Ethos/ mindset/ approach not specific to youth culture, especially post millennium.
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Happy this has re-opened. Something I am reading at the moment which I am enjoying. Short read too.
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Very good!
I always thought of it as a sound. But I think your point of a movement is better. 
But shit like Green Day or NOFX and the like we’re just riding the wave. Not contributing to the movement…hence the shit sound.
I dunno. 
I don’t even know if I’m in line with my own point of view sometimes. I do know that I hate Green Day and NOFX 
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I look at punk as a movement first then the music as a way to unite and communicate the message. Maybe Cali punk was less focused on a style or look therefore fractured into multiple sub genre. Like NOFX was skater punk and Green Day was more pop than punk. Also coming out of Cali was Body Count gangsta rap punk. Seems like NY and U.K. where more on the same page where Cali was off on its own.
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I grew up kinda blind to the shit that was going on. in a small hood in the suburbs of Montreal. all I knew was skateboarding and being in a shitty punk/reggae band. so it was a sound. there really wasn’t much to rebel against where I lived. not even my parents. they were awesome
but for todays music to call punk of today punk…I can see that.
im not as blind as I used to be…tho sometimes, these days…I wish I was 
terrible to say. but there is so MUCH shit going on…its starting to weigh
my time was…
- Sex Pistols
- Black Flag
- Agnostic Front
- Gang Green
- Killing Joke
- Social Distortion
- Dead Kennedys
- Alternative Inuit
etc etc…
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I totally understand I didn’t get introduced to punk until my late teens. I grew up on hip-hop and before that funk. So punk was totally left field for me and to be perfectly honest it was already being packaged and monetized here in the states.
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I never got quite into proper punk, but did like Murphy’s Law (a small NY band I happened to get some tapes of), and then a range of other smaller US outfits. These were all post-punk I’d guess.
My original post was not quite about punk itself, but more of punk as, in hindsight, an iconic symbol of rebellion against other music, as a cultural backlash. As many have commented, there just seems too much of everything these days for there to be room for a similar Breakthrough phenomenon to happen ever again. Are there any imaginable styles left that haven’t been tried?
Spending an hour browsing BandCamp confirms there is brilliant music still being made and, to some extent the sheer volume of output now available means music can be more personal again.
Good stuff, with few exceptions, doesn’t become a blockbuster popular success on the world stage, it stays personal.
I’ve not lost my teenage penchant for bands ‘nobody else knows’.
Just because I (or anyone) doesn’t happen to easily hear death metal, punk, synth pop or ska anymore doesn’t mean there isn’t copious amazing new music out there in every genre and hybrid, you just have to go look for it.
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as tastes change tho…you search more for what yer into…right?
punk isn’t on the top of my list these days. I don’t put the effort into finding todays good stuff 
and I’m CERTAIN there is some sick stuff.
@xidnpnlss AAAAAHHHHG…I miss the old skate punk days. good times!
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Thing about Punk is, it was visually shocking to the mainstream of the day. Mohawks and dildos. Harder to shock people that way now, look at what pop stars wear, all kinds of crazy shit. And anything aesthetically new and exciting gets sucked into the vortex of branding and corporate collaborations before it’s more than a pup.
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The most relevant movement in NYC right now is BLM and it’s a coalition of all races but I’m not sure it has a specific music style to go along with it. It’s like music doesn’t define this generation. At least not from what I can see.
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too true.
My last departure into heavier rock/early electro fusion was way back with Jane’s Addiction, Porno For Pyros, Trent Reznor, Faith No More, Mordred … early 90s! 30 years ago good god. Not quite punk, but to me at the time it had an edge. Just a few years later I was off in the little fluffy clouds though and never looked back.
Whatever the new punk, whatever shape and form it might take, I can safely assume I won’t get it. 30 years on the musical explorer path; too far gone to go back now.
I think I have discovered in this thread a great perspective I hadn’t realised. When younger I’d invest a lot of time into music; just by listening to it hours a day and got much more connection out of it as a result. These days I’m flitting from track to track or not listening to music for weeks on end as I’m too caught up in the hamster wheel. I need to get back to listening to more music again, less time on topical podcasts on true crime and politics! It isn’t the quality of the music that’s changed or its inventiveness, I’m just not listening to it adequately.
for anyone who missed it … what a great album of its time
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Honestly, by that rationale and the general anti-Confederacy stance of the band and BLM support, FBI rating them as a “gang”, ICP are Punk.
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We aren’t growing up during this round of releases. We have a foundation of music that comes from our formative years. That shit was new to us. What WE hear in today’s main popular music is repetition or just duplication. But to the young, the shits new and finds its place in their life.
I have to keep reminding myself of that. What’s a remake, old, lame to me…is new to someone new. And they will find some kind of bond with it.
BUT despite all that…I find it hard to see someone reminisce about Nickleback HAHAHAHA (sorry) 
(I probably didn’t make my point very well. I’m a shit writer)
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Didnt read all,
so dont know if it has been mentioned:
Spiral Tribe, Desert Storm, Hekate, some of them or spin offs still around and will be around italy, czech… in 2021
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these kids are pretty hot; 2020 lyrics 1970 riffs
The world today is such a wicked thing
Fighting going on between the human race
People give good wishes to all their friends
While people just across the sea are counting the dead
A politician’s job they say is very high
For he has to choose who’s got to go and die
They can put a man on the moon quite easy
While people here on earth are dying of old diseases
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Definitely, that does fit the bill perfectly!
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Wicked World: prophetic lyrics or an endless spiral of history repeating the same bs? Will we ever learn!!??
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I’ve found my sunday night soundtrack; information overload podcasts out, music in.
never even knew about this recent release, so chuffed to find it - FSOL were electronic punk, to me, cyberpunk? and I won’t take any arguments.
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