The rise, fall and evolution of social media communicators

I will possibly regret sticking my oar in here, but as somebody that has been dangerously close to getting lumped into this category before, this kind of thing has been on my mind a lot. Apologies if this ends up as something of an essay.

There are lots of factors of course, but IMHO, we are seeing the natural outcome of a situation where people have come to rely on the money or ‘success’ of their YouTube channels, and have become disillusioned with the reality of having to produce ‘content’ in a particular way; one that doesn’t provide any kind of meaningful personal satisfaction other than the numbers (which inevitably also vary).

One of the reasons I started making videos in the first place was because so much of what was out there already seemed so ‘perfect’, or at least, attempted to present this polished persona and skill-set; people that knew everything about synthesis, or were expert beat makers. Every time they put together a track it came together in seconds, flawlessly. They never struggled to find a melody, or figure out which bloody minijack MIDI connector was the right one out of a pile of them. In other words, they lacked authenticity, and were incredibly difficult to relate to, as somebody who definitely did not have that kind of experience with gear or making music. (If you’ve ever been in a band you will definitely know what I mean!).

All of this has been compounded by a number of folks getting fixated on YouTube ‘success’ - whether that’s in subscriber numbers, view counts, or income. I can understand why. The system is designed to throw a ton of data at you in order to suck you in and produce more in response to what seems to generate the greatest up-tick in those figures. Once you give up your day job to fully rely on the revenue from producing this stuff, the whole cost-benefit calculation shifts even more dramatically. You can no longer afford to sink time into making a video that will ‘under-perform’, as the drop in view count could have a significant impact on your actual, real life. You have to consider and give primacy to the investment/return ratio.

The result of all of this is that we have a constant glut of ‘content’ (because that is all it is), which is purely designed to generate clicks, and is just a drab repetition of every other video to come before it. Soulless, empty, meaningless, shite.

What @Sleepyhead said above resonates:

As a ‘musician’ (despite arguably having qualified for this, I use the label with trepidation and reluctance), one of the cool things about having a channel where you talk about gear is that you have the chance to experiment with loads of different equipment that you would never normally be able to afford otherwise. I feel really fortunate to be in that position, because it’s provided a momentum and semi-sustainable way to indulge something that I am passionate about. Whenever I make a video, I try and express that in an authentic way - as well as hopefully providing some useful insight for other people who might be interested in the topic. But if not, it doesn’t really matter. Ultimately, I (perversely) enjoy the process, and that’s enough. If I hate a bit of gear, I wouldn’t use it. If there are major flaws or problems, I will highlight them (and have). If the video gets thousands of views then great! If it only gets a few hundred, who cares? If a brand gets pissed off with me for being honest, that’s okay. Ultimately it makes little difference because I don’t place critical importance on it.

In contrast, I find that a lot of the ‘content’ that comes out about new gear from other places is very transparently, purely about the desire to grow their channels, income, and following. Receive and ‘review’ a device as quickly as possible in the same format before moving on to the next thing. Anybody that uploads videos wants people to watch of course, and will experiment with changing titles or thumbnails or messing about with descriptions to try and get more eyeballs (partly because it’s fun!), but this particular approach oftenfeels very much just like a consumerist treadmill, and ultimately comes across as disingenuous.

What makes this worse is that the folks involved often seem to lack any sense of self-awareness. They engage in these obvious practices apparently unquestioningly, often don’t give any kind of disclosure about their affiliation with a product when they are actively involved in marketing it, and then appear personally slighted when people criticise them for that. Some of it obviously goes beyond the pale and is unacceptable. I get my fair share of unjustifiable abusive nonsense - that’s the Internet - but at some point if you want to hold yourself up as what is effectively a corporate spokesperson, then you need to expect a degree of adverse feedback, which appears to be an alien concept at times. Interestingly enough, some of these folks are also the first to be very publicly, and aggressively outspoken about anybody that questions them.

To round this off, part of the reason I ended up changing my channel name (shameless plug, because I had to, come on) was because I found myself getting lumped in more and more with the ‘synthfluencer’ crowd, and it felt like I was becoming railroaded, or trapped into a particular type of topic or format. For me, YouTube is a fun place to make and share stuff, which generates about £200 a month to help offset some of the ludicrous purchases I indulge in as part of creative pursuits. (Caveat: Half of this is from Patreon). As soon as it becomes anything other than that, it’s time to re-evaluate.

p.s. Sorry, I warned you. p.s. Don’t come for me. Or I’ll make a video about it.

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Yes, I think YouTube stopped being underground a long time ago, too many boomers in the area. When I’m looking for new, experimental and interesting ideas I prefer Twitch or Discord

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For what it’s worth I like your channel. It comes across as genuine and not click bait ballix

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I tried to hit the monetizing target with subscribers and views which now is absurdly high. Can i ask how many views you need to make £200 a month?

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I have a YouTube channel that offered short documentaries on all sorts of creatives (it lies dormant for four or five years, but still generates views obviously). Around 5k subs.

Some videos generated more than 200k views, most sit at around 20k views. I get a payout from Google each quarter of about $100-200.

The whole deal is exactly as shady, as any deal where you don’t define the conditions: you get what someone else dictates. So I don’t want to blame Google – after all, they do offer an amazing video library, kind of today’s Library of Alexandria, essentially free of charge. I simply make my money elsewhere.

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Thanks! Like anybody that uploads to YouTube I am guilty of some click-baitery, but I try to make fun of it whenever I do.

I hear you. I started making videos back in March of 2016. Back then the requirements to be eligible for monetisation were far lower. YouTube then introduced the 4000 watch hours thing, and it felt like an impossibility to reach, given the short duration of my uploads. Once I came back and started making videos for me again and ignored monetisation, I found that I quickly hit the target after a few months.

In terms of view count versus payout, be aware that this will vary dramatically depending on your location, as well as lots of other variables - but I make about £100 for 45k views in a month, give or take. The other £80-100 comes from Patreon (something I forgot to mention when composing the Iliad above). It’s something I was always wary of setting up, but in practice it’s been humbling to have a small group of folks that like what you do enough to want to support it by chucking you a few quid every four weeks. It forces me to be more open with a lot of things, which is good.

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Just want to chime in as another Elektronaut who’s enjoyed your videos. You really hit the nail on the head regarding authenticity, I generally find synthfluencers turn me off as they come across as advertisers/children’s television presenters first and musicians a distant second. You seem like someone who is just passionate about music making more than anything and your laid back yet informative style is nice to watch.

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I think this perfectly explains why I stopped making videos, no real interest in videography* and it competed with my time for doing what I enjoyed, knob twiddling.

I quite quickly got to a few thousand subscribers, back in 2007/8 and a few million channel views, never monetised, I always had ads disabled too (not sure if you can do that anymore?) and for a while quite enjoyed putting the odd video up. Then it all got a bit too corporate, with focus on monetisation, in roll ads, flashy camera gear and fancy editing, and I lost interest. Around this time views on my channel took a dive too, probably because I was not uploading as frequently anymore.

*Interested in video as an artform but more in the music video sense, rather than the presenter/influencer/personality/ego sense.

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Thanks. I have watched several of your uploads btw. You come across as very sincere and a great sense of humour.

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To be fair I do kind of look like something out of a kids TV show as well, but probably more the cartoon villian.

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Iearned that A4 snare from your video :slight_smile: Well worth the watch.

I personally wish i had the time to make music videos to promote my tracks, but i have to focus.

Generally i think that would be a good space to explore.

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I find channels with whatever (original) music videos far more interesting then listening to someone getting free gear and “reviewing” it while being really careful not to drop too negative stuff so they can keep getting gear to review and put out new videos that generate views or throw in occasional rant about how they struggle with bad feedback or inspiration or whatever, but I’m not the majority that makes youtube the big bucks, the majority wants content and even the synthfluencer’s “struggle drama” will generate more views then 20-30 minute mixer feedback video.

as youtube gets saturated with more and more content creators their job becomes harder, they need to be aesthetically pleasing, invest more into their filming environment and gear, that stuff is pretty expensive while getting real money from this platform becomes harder.

imo youtube is the one to blame really, it pushes the content before art and there’s nothing you can do about it, if youtube promoted original content above shocking face-arrow-large font-clickbait thumbnails which majority seems to be attracted to, then artists would have better chance balancing putting out music and honestly talking about gear they like or (more importantly) dislike, but the reality is that it will never happen as a video like “I gave a homeless $100k and 24 hours to spend it - you’ll be shocked what he did with it” will be all over users recommended feed and competing with this as a gear reviewer/music producer is impossible.

some personas will endure for a while at least, until they’ll be replaced with commercial funded channels, so it’s a dead end road imo. and synthfluencers should know that.


there was this dude from australia (or new zealand) building stuff from dirt and clay, “primitive” something (can’t remember the channel name), he got millions of views and subscribers, and after that channels popped up copying his content, they had money invested and they grew beyond him and pushed him out. they played by YT rules and YT promoted them over the original content. that’s youtube, content over art/original creations.

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it kinda feels like every major social media platform is in a death spiral, and you can see it in the platforms largest content creators. these platforms arent too big to fail. i am interested in what will be next. (web3 crypto stuff isnt creative or novel enough)

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Was that the guy who would do the sped-up videos of him making swimming pools and houses out of dirt? Those blew up so fast haha!

he was making houses and cookware in the wild and suddenly there were copycats doing pools and water slides and other ridiculous stuff

this is the guy, he’s still doing videos

and then there were the copycats like this one (check out the numbers)

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I think you’re referring to John Plant’s “Primitive Technology” channel. Nice low key videos – no voice over. If you watch them be sure to turn on the closed captioning for explanatory narration!

I think he’s still doing fine despite all the copy cats. He’s got 10.8M subscribers and his approx once a month videos seem to get between 1M and 3M views. I’m pretty sure he’s still making serious bank doing stuff he has fun doing.

https://www.youtube.com/@primitivetechnology9550

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yes that’s the one, found him, he’s still waaay behind his copycats in terms of numbers, he’s genuine and still does his thing but the fact YT lets other copy his work and promote it above his says everything about what YT cares about.

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If I had the chops, I’d programme an open source platform, community owned, keeping a % of revenues for maintenance and evolution of the platform and the rest (the majority) goes to the content creators. Algorithm-driven only if desired, otherwise users would see a feed based on their channel subscriptions, linear in timeline. Maybe also request specific algorithmic recommendations “on-demand.”

I see few alternatives out there at the moment, but that doesn’t mean that there couldn’t be.

I blame a good part of the sameness of content on YouTube not on the lack of creativity of creators but rather on the algorithms at work, “forcing” them into a certain format.

Haha yes, one man, wearing nowt apart from a pair of pants, utilising his bare hands and a stick, crafts works of art out of mud. I watched one of the ‘copycats’ who did the same thing but it was obviously fake. Still, it was entertaining enough to see this skinny dude hop around at 5x speed and craft insane creations. :smiley:

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The Fediverse version of YouTube is called PeerTube. The technology exists; the issue is getting the right people to use it.

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