speak for yourself, I prefer to bury my recordings deep under the ocean where no-one will ever hear them.
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I didnāt like the offhanded remark about sampling either, or that the beginning of the downfall of the industry was the introduction of roger linn drum machines. what utter horseshit. if you canāt add more value as a drummer to a practical / commercial recording than a sample or a drum machine can, then perhaps you should reevaluate your choice to try and make a living exclusively off being a musician.
Maybe itās just that for my entire life, there is no real security given or implied in a choice to be a musician (in any capacity), but the implication that the valuable role of the guy who picks up the tour van being eliminated is an indication of the decline of western society just doesnāt resonate with me.
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Agreed wholeheartedly. I donāt know who either of these dudes is, but it really reeks of āback in my day things were better.ā I could rant about a few more other aspects of the conversation, but Iāll save that to keep from going further off-topic.
Connecting this again to the topic at hand, I realize Iām guilty of kind of doing the āback in my dayā/ alarmist thing in regards to AI, just like the dudes in the video did about sampling and efficiency. Iām terrified it will replace me and my coworkers, displace me professionally, and force me to reskill and itās a topic I think about frequently. This merges with my extreme pessimism toward large companies as a whole, and the music industry especially.
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ā¦it will lead to new labelingā¦made in usa/germany/china likeā¦
once ai is all over the place and everywhere, actual ruling comes finally into place, so all ai generated stuff, no matter what, will be labeled as suchā¦
and with everything else, people will make a difference, to prefer the āreal thingā, no matter, or even just because of the fact, that ai generated stuff might be just to āperfectā while all sorts of human flaws are the next big sexyā¦
which is just bad news for all sorts of electronic music, iām afraidā¦ 
synthesized styles were the sound of the future in quite a while nowā¦but once the future is the new normal, itās time to get ur hands dirty with drums and guitars and what not againā¦
mainstream keeps always changingā¦thatās a neverchanging lawā¦
and so is that subculture/underground thingā¦once ai is everything, the need for making a difference will become stronger than ever beforeā¦
in the meantime, sure, everybody who still loves to create music but also want to make a living from it, might also use virtual helping hands, personal assistants to help them along the wayā¦
there will be three different ways to judge onā¦those, totally man/handmadeā¦those with a little help from llm`m/lamās and the massive inflationary overflow of just ordered and promptedā¦
while on the naked commercial consumer content side, it will flip the coin in totalā¦vast majority of sync license fees will become obsoleteā¦too many content of all kind out there that simply does not need to pay for music rights made by humans anymore, just to have something that plays underneath in the backgroundā¦
so letās hope/pray/work/resist/vote as hard as we can for labelingā¦clear verification whatās generated and whatās NOTā¦for our own futuresā sakeā¦the fight for the ārightā or āwrongā opinions, to win arguments in the age of information, this ugly new compulsion to choose for one side or the other and nothing left for the big inbetween, can only become a fair and human game again,or maybe even for the first time ever, if every automation processed thing is labeledā¦
this was a BOTā¦
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I guess going from A to B regardless of the outcome, whether good or bad. But anyway, ignore me. To each its own.
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I think people that listen to music seek out the human expression in whatever theyāre hearing, so I think AI in music will never really surpass what humans create on itās own because generally we relate to human made music more. The question of music still being made after AI is a bit silly because music is made for enjoyment not for competition and I think AI will, in fact, increase the amount of music being made in the future
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No your okay. I take your point.
What we have now are learning models. We call them AI, but people forget the A and focus on the I. It is artificial intelligence, as in ānot realā. Itās not real because itās based on algorithms and learning from existing material.
Eventually there will be actual I - as in machines that have intelligence. At that point we are all either doomed to obsolescence or going to live a life of luxury where the machines sort shit out for us so we can just chill out.
In the meantime, AI canāt express experience, so music will still be ābetterā if itās produced by people expressing emotion. If anything, more value will be but on creativity, as it will be the only things that AI canāt do alone.
Either way, people will still make music. Always have, always will.
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No
I disagree. AI stands for Artificial Industry.
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I fully welcome our AI overloads and all they offer.
Iāll keep making my music and let them supply the masses with whatever it is the churn out.
Itās not the machine beating you at chess you need to worry about.
Itās the machine that lets you win at chess you need to fear.
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Fuck never thought of it that way. Bastards been mocking me this whole time.
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The rise in AI-assisted/generated art will create a counter-resurgence in music journalism and artist interviews.
Imagine reading or hearing someone like Billy Corgan, David Foster Wallace, Kate Bush, Trent Reznor, Sakamoto, Roy Lichtenstein, Wendy Carlos or Squarepusher explain why or how they made something, or what they felt when making it or conceiving it.
Then imagine an AI answering the same questions from an art or music interviewer. It would be laughableā¦because no matter how emotive they made themselves sound, we know that they do not suffer the ways humans do.
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So far LLM-based AIs arenāt individual but general, meaning they donāt have the unique subjectivity which is necessary to artistic creation. Thatās the difference from chess/go or even illustration or writing say marketing copy, imo, which are to some extent problems to be solved and more prone to being displaced by AI.
Creating individualised AIs for art is possible, but potentially hugely expensive - ChatGPT is the largest LLM out there and was enormously expensive to create, but still has ingested less data in an absolute sense than a small child would have - and itās all in textual form. Video and audio data is more costly to process, and weāre not even really started on AI learning from embodied experiences, although itās possible with advances in robotics I suppose.
Even once these problems are all solved, what most people really value in artistic experiences is some kind of connection to the creator, and itās not clear theyād value that with AI. At least some people, Iād think, would always prefer human-made art. People care much more about that than technical accomplishment - you can see the evidence everywhere in all artistic genres.
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Oh hey, look at me, giving up making music because some fucking robot is doing it. Yeah, thatās gonna happen.
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I know itās not directly related to the topic of the thread but itās about AI so itās close enough.
can someone ask ChumpGPT or whatever AI to make a playlist from the Current Sounds thread?
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Artists use the tools of their times. Not that Iām an artist. I do love making weird, fun music with Elektron boxes. It feels wonderful to be learning so much. I dont worry about being replaced by AI.
Iāll have to watch this. Iāve had the same thoughts.
There are plenty who are way too āDoom and Gloomā about AI but also plenty who simply think itās going to be a tool and everything will just get better.
I think itās suddenly going to take one composer, sound designer, etc, to do the job of 10, which is kind of a game changing thing.
So sure it will be used as a tool but we are going to need drastically less people to operate these tools.
This wonāt affect the big guys with name recognition or the small guys doing it for fun. But those trying the climb the latter and make a buck with some middle of the road work are going to have it rough, with a lot more competition than usual I think.
There will always be a place for true art, but so much of what we see and hear day to day occupies a sort of middle space that can be easily replaced.
It could lead to a renaissance of creativity for all I know.
My more optimistic take is that the bubble of āmusicianā as a separate class of person who is āgood at musicā will collapse and weāll go back to banging on drums with the tribe together as a community event rather than it being based around the ego of a singular artist.
But you know, with synths.
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I have no problem with people curating AI generated elements to include in a track but until AI knows what itās like to be 3 Eās deep on a sweaty warehouse dancefloor at 7 in the morning it aināt going to cut it for a lot of people.
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