Returning DT2 - I Think I’m Out

I would like to do that as well. I want to see how this goes. It’s the hardware speeds / size / unreliability reports and personal experience that tipped it for me.

I get that ghastly feeling three months later after the honeymoon period is gone, I will be deeply regretting it.

But that’s why 14 day UK return periods are for and I’m glad I found this out thanks to others here and my own experience.

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I hope Elektron takes note from all the constructive feedback for next iteration. It’s time to move forward in this department. It’s too bad this is a new product and the ship has sailed, as it’s probably going to be quite awhile before we get another sampler with hardware I/O revisions.

Storage issues with hardware might have been called out here: Digitakt II PCB - #2 by brian3kb

Time will tell how much can be improved on the software side of things via updates.

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It really hasnt. As has been pointed out elsewhere, in terms of inflation the price increase is much smaller than ‘doubled’. If the DT1 was around 650 (?) when launched in 2017, that would be 840-ish in todays money (using GBP/Bank of England as reference), so the current/launch price of 899 is pretty consistent with that, and also fair when factoring in the additional functionality that it now offers (albeit currently buggy for some). Also worth factoring in the various socio-economic circumstances between 2020 and now. The price bump is actually pretty negligible, I think we all just get stuck thinking of how much something used to cost and forget that the value of money changes (ie depreciates) fairly quickly

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350?! Where?!??!

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Agreed, especially considering that it comes from actual experience that it seems one cannot personally get without buying a box themselves. Valuable information. The fact that it’s critical and leads to a rejection is not negative. It’s actually positive.

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Yes you’re completely accurate there. The increase is proportionate.

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I think the ending of Trainspotting where he’s stealing the bag and going to change can be also defined as clarity moment :slight_smile:

is 20GB really not enough for a sampler?
having the rytm for ~2 years and I haven’t managed to fill up the 1GB yet… :confused:
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said just thinking out loud about it, to me 20GB seems too much, I would absolutely get lost in managing 20GB of samples…


thanks for reminding me Trainspotting btw, going to watch it and T2 this weekend

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I guess it depends how you work and what you’re making, but just 20gb is very small for a lot of musicians who want to experiment with different styles, or want to bring a complete library over.

I was looking forward to bringing over some stock sample packs / a small library over that I use on other samplers, that are a just few GB each (without curating them). Four attempts and many hours of watching progress bars to do something I could do in less than 60secs onto a 32gb Tesco flash card ten years ago is just not right in any way.

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yeah sounds frustrating indeed… not sure how such basic things got overlooked, DT is all about sample transfer it should be impeccable on launch…

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You can add sticky button in the list of disapointement.

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I wonder if the md mk2 launch had this much precious sass (edit: regret these words but you know what I mean). Or if it was a bunch of supportive users knowing they bought into a product where the designers listen, communicate and make changes.

Elektron may have evolved but that latter statement hasn’t changed, citing open honest comments on the 1.70 rytm os launch.

I’m just a bit surprised people were expecting a faultless product/firmware launch. Has it ever happened!? Will it ever happen!?
IMO that will never happen, for any complex hardware software device ever.

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Un-satisfaction from trying to use a device for what it was not intended to be used for is to blame on the user, not the manufacturer.

Long sample playing, deep control on sampling-resampling, powerful sample manipulation/mangling, malleable workflow… that device has been offered by Elektron for ages, it’s a powerful device, a flagship if you want to call it.

There is a reason why the Octatrack factory content sums 15 GB and can stream directly from removable storage, and DT2 comes with 20 GB of internal but 5 times more RAM: because they are made for different purposes. It’s literally written on the box: Dum Computer - Dynamic Sampler.

Somebody say that DT2 is just more DT. That’s correct, and is great. It’s an stereo DT that can use now baked stereo samples without destroying their sound. It can also re-sample itself in all its glory. It’s a more powerful, streamlined in its workflow DT… but it’s still a DT: shape - price - intended use.

If you loved DT, you will love DT2 even more. Because it’s the same, but better. I’m pretty sure Elektron will fix all those little operative bugs soon, and DT2 will be an amazing device.

If you were unhappy because DT is not MPC, SP, T4 or OT… well, DT2 won’t improve it for you, because, you know, it’s the same spirit of DT in a much powerful hardware.

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maybe expectations have changed? I guess with both technology advance and the user base grow users expect something else?
either way this post is not that bad or sassy compared to that M:C post where user demanded OB capabilities because M:C is a tool and not a toy and how dare Elektron not provide “basic feature like OB”

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The point of some of the criticism is that this is not true in this moment in time. Transfer speeds are faster on the original Digitakt for example. Will it be matched or go beyond that with updates remains to be seen. On a similar front there is still no real world example of how Overbridge will behave with latency when it comes to 16 tracks. All we can do is speculate there. The original Digitakt also has more coverage at the moment with LFO destinations (sample slot) on some machines where it is not possible on Digitakt II.

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Poor M:C, it’s even used as a reference of abandonment and intentional handicapped design in a thread of another machine…

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I haven’t seen anyone request anything of the Digitakt 2 that was outrageous or not in regards to a common sensibility? :man_shrugging:t6:

I think the fear that the Digitakt 2 is going to make Digitakt 2 users as happy as octatrack users is more of a thing lol

don’t worry guys, proper sample transfer speeds, and higher slice editing resolution will not turn a digitakt into an octatrack or siphon off any prestige that lies there in hahaha… heck the dt2 doesn’t even have a crossfader , harry potter wouldn’t be harry potter without his wand

you guys gonna have to get over the fact that the digitakt is not just a drum computer, it has sampling inputs, it’s a sampler… it’s not like the model samples which only utilizes sample import… the digitakt samples in 3 different forms currently… it’s okay.

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yeah the level of entitlement of that post was ridiculous, it’s not like M:C is a new device, you’d think he would do some basic research before buying it and then raving how everyone is wrong lol

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Fair enough, though I think I saw the op mentioning in another post that he doesn’t use lfos because it’s too cumbersome to scroll through the list of destinations… clearly he’s not for elektron workflow.

I really don’t think its unreasonable to expect, at launch, a new sampler to be able to load samples (without hours of waiting for transfers / frequent crashing / drive corruption) or to be able to record a sample at a decent level without issues.

These are basic functions.

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An Elektrokarenaut in the wild :joy: . OB support is probably the thing I care the least in Elektron. There are like 100 better ideas in the Request thread for the M:C alone.

But back to the point, DT2:

an Open Box DT2 for ~850$ is what the world needs, and I won’t stop you all.

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