…not salty at all…i just heard complaints about the new +drive dimensions, thought of new stereo sampling and a first 128 step sequencer and jumped to the conclusion, there’s somebody talking, who has not that much swedish opus moderandi experience…besides, it’s 2024 and all latest elektron devices have seen a little bump up in first list pricing…
without taxes, all elektron prices remain pretty reasonable for such a rock solid musical pro hw electronic instrument quality u get, end of all days…
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As has been discussed in the last few days in other threads the list scrolling method of LFO assignment is kind of archaic and unoptimal at this point. Direct assignment by holding a button and turning a parameter knob is just a much better way of doing it and is frankly more like Elektron’s workflow in other areas.
Imagine if in order to do trig p-locking you had to enter a p-lock page then scroll through lists of all the available parameters, instead of just holding the trig and turning a knob…
It’s an area in which Elektron could definitely improve upon.
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Sure, but not using lfo’s on elektron machine is just laughable, sorry:)
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that’s a general request tho, and a fair one. it’s got nothing to do with dt2 specifically tho.
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Yeah I was really just responding to the “not for elektron workflow” remark, as I didn’t think that was particularly fair.
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…but what would be the solution to that “general request”…?
those lfo’s are assignable to pretty much everything u can think of…how to shorten/slim line all their assignment workflow even more, is a question i’d have no answer for…
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from your comment about the original DT it sounds like it didn’t fully grab you either. And I think thats where people divert. I loved the original in spite of its obvious limitations. its still the most fluid / intuitive piece of gear I’ve ever owned. easy and really rewarding. so the possibility of having the same tool but beefed up is just what the doctor ordered. Your reservations are of course valid, but the provenance of this particular model will cause a lot of people like me to look past the hopefully temporary issues. (I’ve just received a shipping notification from Thomann 
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Just want to add that this workflow improvement idea is potentially aplicable in all Elektrons.
And, also, it is not something new. it was Elektron itself who came with this workflow improvement in the first place: This is how you assign LFO in the Model:Samples and Model:Cycles.
Please, #StopScrollingDownMenus
For that I already have Microsoft Excel… or Ableton.
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that’s a question for a different thread imo 
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Yes and no, all the LFOs destinations cannot be reached that way with the encoders, Pretty sure PAN has to be reached through the LFO menu.
It is also harder to put that feature in more complex machines with more LFOs and LFOs destinations. I think that would require a massive UI rework and I do not think this is happening.
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Well, $600 in 2017 would be $765 today, rather than $1000, but I see your point.
Factoring that in, it’s more like a 30% increase - which doesn’t seem as bad.
You could still get DT1 for about $650 (new) at the beginning of 2023 though.
Or if you want to talk UK prices, it launched at £650 and you could get it for about £690 up until mid-2023, vs £900.
As someone that did buy one then, it seems like a big price jump.
But I think there’s probably something about being closer to $1000 than $500 which makes it feel like a bigger price increase than it really is (at most, 50% - not double).
I think it mainly depends how you are using samples.
If you are recording your own samples on-device, using drum one-shots, or loading up a curated selection, 1 GB is probably fine, and 20 GB spacious.
But once you start loading up longer melodic samples or buying sample packs, 1 GB runs out fast - and going from 16-bit mono to 24-bit stereo will eat up 20 GB quicker than expected.
I agree, but what would honestly go a long way for me is if the LFO menu stayed open rather than timing out after only a few seconds.
Holding the LFO/Mod button and adjusting a parameter certainly seems like an easier way to assign it; but the issue you’d run into is that not all parameters can be assigned to an LFO.
And it probably gets messy when you want to assign/change two or three LFOs in that way, rather than one.
Yes, because if a destination has no dedicated encoder, well, you cannot reach it by using an encoder, right?
A complex machine, but is cumbersome to use? Menu diving is not something you want to associate with any machine. I think most people preffer menu snorkeling.
I think the Models are the living proof that all you need is to hold the “LFO” button and twist the encoder you want to modulate. This problem has been solved before by Elektron themselves already. It is not like they are coding a new thing from scratch.
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And in my opinion this is something Elektron would not do as when you think about workflow and how you interact with a machine having a linear way of achieving something like setting LFO destination ought to be consistent for all parameters (and Im aware it isnt the case for the models which I guess is why it wasnt done for other machines) because having exceptions always messes up with the workflow and Elektron is Elektron, not Roland. This can also partly explains why There hasnt been new features added to existing encoders on the Models…
I dont think this models specific feature will ever come to the digiboxes to be honest.
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US launch price in 2017 was, apparently, $679, which in todays money would be $865. Which is different than 600 -> 765. Like, yes there’s still an increase, but it’s not as big as you’ve made it out to be. The DT2 is also much more fully featured than the DT1, certainly the DT1 at its original launch. You’re not buying like-for-like, it’s a completely different machine. And it’s not a 2017 price because it’s not 2017 any more. I get it, I bought an OTmk2 in late 2018/early 2019 for something like 1000 new, so that’s always the figure in my head when I think what one of those should cost, and then am always shocked to see that actually no, now 5-6 years later its actually quickly checks… 1400… Is anyone complaining that the same OT that you could buy 5 years ago is now £400 more?
Guess thats the reason they wont do it then. Not a consistent method for all LFO destinations
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yes, me 
well more so the rytm n A4 mk2 prices. they’re fairly spicy now imo. Just a li’l.
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Counterpoint: There are parameters you cannot p-lock. LFO assignment would be no different, the ideas we’ve been suggesting are basically p-locking but for an LFO.
There wouldn’t be much UI addition needed at all. See my earlier Feature request for all Elektron machines post for details.
People always modulate the same 12 or less parameters anyway… no?
The Models way is to acknowledge that a provide a fast LFO method accordingly.
Yet, if menu diving in a “more complex” machine is your thing the possibility is still there. Menu Scroll Down to the Mariana Trench if you want to.
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comparing apples and oranges there tho really, Roland is massive and can no doubt easily afford to keep prices artificially low to stay competitive/undercut competition
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