Looking at adding vocals to potential live performance.
Going to be aggressive, shouty and distorted.
Really like what I hear from Iron Sight, Giant Swan and Sam Kerridge’s live sets as examples. I think there’s delay, reverb, ring mod, maybe flangers to consider as well as the distortion/s.
Current live setup is OT, Rytm, Avalon+RAT, 62hp modular, Eventide mixing link.
Wondering what the best/smallest way to achieve this is:
TC helicon voicelive extreme 2 (or something like that)?
Bunch of pedals?
Kaoss Pad 3 (I’ve actually always fancied one of these and they are not too pricey used)?
I’ve seen this thread (where some of the above ideas came from): Extreme vocal processing hardware?
I don’t want to use a laptop/software
So you need something to modulate pitch, you need a delay with time and feedback that can be modulated and you need distortion and possibly a bit crusher/filter. All of this can be had for really cheap if you don’t need patch memory multi I/O or midi. Personally I would probably go with a couple of boxes over a single as I’d prefer the instant hands on. Single purpose pedals probably gets you there cheaply and probably provides the most hands on for the money.
I own and am enjoying the Old Blood Noise Endeavors MAW as posted above doesn’t cover every single effect type you’ve listed but is a fantastic starting point to which you can then use the send & return to loop in other things. I’ve not had it long but I’ve tested throwing a wee analogue delay in the loop and enjoyed it - have a compressor and eq/boost I wanna try…before I get weird with Chase Bliss Audio MOOD
the smart footswitches (hold for momentary, tap for latching) are really fun/useful, and the delays have been designed to loop without oscillating…so the momentary footswitches plus everything having trails means you can do some fun looping. 4 reverb types to choose from is great too. Look forward to experiencing with LFOs/expression on the control inputs too in future. Dry and wet separate outs…yeah…nice package.
So that looks and sounds ace! And one of the odder product demos I’ve seen, which is always a good sign. Stick some of my existing pedals in the FX loop and good to go there I think…
So I can do distortion (death metal, RAT, MXR +, Great Destroyer) +/- octaves (Buzz box, Meat box) and bit crushing (Geiger counter) well enough, pedals I don’t have are filters & modulators.
I can do without all of MIDI, digital I/O & patch recall. But - I would get those, and modulations/filters with a KP3 I think? Don’t think KP3 has send/return loop though…
Oh and the Helicon looks cool but doesn’t have any distortions (pfffft ) and is too pricey
I’d love to to update my Boss SE-50 to something else, are there any good modern vocal processors good for vocals somewhat in between the Eventide guitar pedals and Harmonizers?
I like to have distorted glitchy weird vocals in my setup and recordings etc. I like what i get out of logic with its stepfx (to have vocals effected with bpm) and any other distortion, delay and/or reverb plugins. But i have struggled to achieve what i want in pedal. Things ive tried:
voicelive extreme 2: gets the job done on sounding very good, autotune stuff is great. I dont recall filters, distortion, ring mods of any interest. Big and expensive and just seemed like overkill.
pedal chain of empress echosystem, cba dark world, moog drive and/or elektron drive, red panda tensor, pladask elektrisk fabrikat, meris ottobit. All good but still never got my hypothetical sweet spot.
right now, Poly Beebo. Its damn near close to perfect because of its endless versatility. The convolution reverbs are the best, delays, bitcrushers, resonators, ring mods, saturation, step sequencers and lfos to modulate any of these etc etc etc.
Theres plenty of cool pedals i havent tried. But i like the multi fx option. The eventide H9 seems like a possibility as well, as are the boss multifx etc.
I’m also having the thought of using several or more pedals vs a single box that can stack fx/modulations and recall presets. I guess I could be looking for software in a box - like the Poly.
Struggling to find decent vocal processing demos though? The style you describe sounds similar to what I’m after! Similarly, maybe an Empress Zoia could be good too.
I dont think you will except from the dedicated vocal pedals.
Zoia would be great too i bet but the mutable instruments modules (open source code) in beebo are awesome and i dont think in zoia. Does zoia have convolution reverbs? If not, i’d say definitely beebo.
I’d say any cool drive pedal with a filter, midi clockable (ideally, for me anyways because i get the tempo gated sound), delay, a reverse/glitch/granular pedal and a reverb will get you there. But ring mod is very cool too so……hmmmm. I just dont want that many pedals personally.
the maw is really cool and useful since it’s got the FX loop and a pretty strong signal. It’s really versatile even without extra pedals tbh. I would just point out some of the reverbs are not quite as good as they could be. doesn’t matter so much if you use the delays, phaser, octave or other choices, but its a good thing to know ahead of time.
I had one of these in mind because it would do a number of things:
Add (lots of) gain to Avalon so I can route it through Rytm input
Mic input with fx loop for the purpose in this thread.
Aux input for anything else
I will look more closely at the blood noise MAW though, it looks very versatile. Probably it’s a choice between this and something software based like the Poly. I really like the idea of designing multi-fx presets specifically for vocals that I can recall i.e. software but not software!
I think MAW plus a distortion & bit crusher in the loop would go quite far actually
But actually most of her vocals are pretty stark in their processing, letting the noise fill up most of the space. It seems like there’s a lot of mixer feedback network stuff going on. Check out the end of this performance:
To bring it back to vocal performance, what about The Pipe?
I do have a sub mixer (Behringer 1002) which I’m happy doing no input stuff on, and a 5x4 matrix mixer, and I had thought to add the vocals and fx in there too. Pipe looks interesting (it’s Soma so how can it not be!) and has been mentioned a couple of times in other threads too. Every time I watch noise I think a separate noise/pedal board is the way to go…
I’d really like to go to Ende Tymes, shame I’m on the wrong continent!
doesn’t cover every single effect type you’ve listed but is a fantastic starting point to which you can then use the send & return to loop in other things. I’ve not had it long but I’ve tested throwing a wee analogue delay in the loop and enjoyed it - have a compressor and eq/boost I wanna try…before I get weird with Chase Bliss Audio MOOD 
) and is too pricey
